Solving Limits with a Clear Pattern: Techniques and Strategies for Success

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The discussion revolves around evaluating limits involving series, specifically the limits of two expressions as n approaches infinity. The first limit involves a series of odd integers divided by powers of 2, while the second limit consists of a series of squared odd integers divided by a cubic term. Participants are exploring techniques and strategies for approaching these limits.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods for simplifying the series, including factoring out terms and considering integration as a potential technique. There is also an exploration of how to derive closed form representations for the sums involved.

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Several participants have offered hints and suggestions for approaching the problems, including the idea of integrating or manipulating the series. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the steps taken, with some participants questioning their own methods and seeking clarification on specific points.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to find limits as n approaches infinity and the requirement to work with specific series forms. There is also a mention of the importance of considering the nth term in their calculations.

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how would you go about solving these :

lim
n->inf (1/2 + 3/22 + 5/23 +... +(2n-1)/2n)

and

lim
n->inf (12/n3+32/n3+52/n3+...+(2n-1)2/n3)

the pattern is very clear but what is the technique i should use to solve these?
 
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Hi Dell! :smile:

(have an infinity: ∞ :wink:)
Dell said:
lim
n->inf (1/2 + 3/22 + 5/23 +... +(2n-1)/2n)

Try fiddling about with it until you can integrate it to something you can sum easily :wink:
 
Dell said:
lim
n->inf (12/n3+32/n3+52/n3+...+(2n-1)2/n3)
For this one you can factor n3 out of all of the denominators (but not out of the summation). Then you're left with finding a closed form representation of 12 + 32 + 52 + ... + (2n - 1)2. This would be equal to the sum of the squares of the positive integers up to (2n), with the sum of the squares of the even integers up to (2n) subtracted off.
 
Mark44 said:
For this one you can factor n3 out of all of the denominators (but not out of the summation). Then you're left with finding a closed form representation of 12 + 32 + 52 + ... + (2n - 1)2. This would be equal to the sum of the squares of the positive integers up to (2n), with the sum of the squares of the even integers up to (2n) subtracted off.

how do i find the sum of squares of integers
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Dell! :smile:

(have an infinity: ∞ :wink:)


Try fiddling about with it until you can integrate it to something you can sum easily :wink:


i see that the numerator is a series with a difference of +2
and the denominator is a series of *2

but i don't see how to simplify it
 
Hint: what does (2n - 1)/(√2)2n remind you of? :wink:
 
do you mean that i should make t=2n and then integrate in parts? how would that help me? how would integration help at all?

this is what i have don't so far, but its wrong somewhere:


the sum S is

S = 1/2 + 3/4 + 5/8 + 7/16 +9/32 +... (2n-1)/2^n

now i take double that and i get
2S = 1 + 3/2 + 5/4 + 7/8 + 9/16 +...(4n-2)/2^n

now if i subtract 2S-S i get
2S = 1 + 3/2 + 5/4 + 7/8 + 9/16 +...(4n-2)/2^n
S =//// 1/2 + 3/4 + 5/8 + 7/16 +9/32 +... (2n-1)/2^n

as you see, if i subtract S from 2S all the middle fractions have a matching one (eg, 3/2 -1/2 =2/2 5/4 -3/4=2/4 etc) only the 1 from 2S and the (2n-1)/2^n from S are left with the sequence (2/2 +2/4 +2/8...)

2S – S = 1 + 2/2 + 2/4 + 2/8 + …2/2^n - (2n-1)/2^n

S = 1 + 2*( 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 …) - (2n-1)/2^n

now i know that 2*( 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 …) =2*1=2
so

S=1+2-(2n-1)/2^n
=3-(2n-1)/2^n


only that the answer is wrong, and the correct one is

3-(2n+3)/2^n

can you see where i have gone wrong??
 
Dell said:
… as you see, if i subtract S from 2S all the middle fractions have a matching one (eg, 3/2 -1/2 =2/2 5/4 -3/4=2/4 etc) only the 1 from 2S and the (2n-1)/2^n from S are left with the sequence (2/2 +2/4 +2/8...)

ooh, that's clever … i didn't see that! :biggrin:
now i know that 2*( 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 …) =2*1=2
can you see where i have gone wrong??

ah … that line is correct if you're going to ∞,

but for some reason the question wants you only to go to the nth term, so it's = 2 - … ? :smile:

(btw, I was thinking of f(√2) with f(x) = ∑(2n-1)/x2n, so that ∫f(x) = -∑1/x2n-1 … but your method is better :wink:)
 

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