Infinite Limit question (3/x)^2x, proof it goes to 0

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (3/n)^(2n) as n approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the behavior of this limit and questioning the application of L'Hôpital's rule in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to rewrite the limit using exponential and logarithmic forms, questioning the validity of their steps and the application of L'Hôpital's rule. Some participants also discuss the growth rates of the numerator and denominator in the limit.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the original attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding bounding the sequence and considering logarithmic properties, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the notation used in the limit expression, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. Additionally, participants are considering the implications of the limit approaching infinity and the behavior of the sequence involved.

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Homework Statement


lim (3/n)^(2n)
n→ ∞

Homework Equations



L'hopital's rule: lim F(a)/G(a) is indeterminate form, then the limit can be written as lim F'(a)/G'(a)
x → a x→ a

The Attempt at a Solution



lim e^[ln(3/n)^(2n)] = lim e^(2n * ln(3/n))
n→ ∞ n → ∞

2n * ln(3/n) =

[2 * ln(3/n)] / (n^-1 )

and applying L.h., [2 * (n/3) * (-3/n^2)]/(-n^-2)

reduces to, 2 * n, and clearly, plugging in n = infinity is wrong. Where did I go wrong, and what can I do to fix this problem?
 
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2n * ln(3/n)
ln(1/x)=?
 
The Hospital rule doesn't apply here because you don't have an indeterminate form.
 
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vela said:
The Hospital rule doesn't apply here because you don't have an indeterminate form.

Woops, didn't read the question carefully,,,I art iDiot
 
Isaac Wiebe said:

Homework Statement


lim (3/n)^2n
n→ ∞


Homework Equations



L'hopital's rule: lim F(a)/G(a) is indeterminate form, then the limit can be written as lim F'(a)/G'(a)
x → a x→ a



The Attempt at a Solution



lim e^[ln(3/n)^2n] = lim e^(2n * ln(3/n))
n→ ∞ n → ∞

2n * ln(3/n) = [2 * ln(3/n)] / n^-1 and applying L.h., [2 * (n/3) * (-3/n^2)]/(-n^-2)

reduces to, 2 * n, and clearly, plugging in n = infinity is wrong. Where did I go wrong, and what can I do to fix this problem?

Please use parentheses: using standard parsing rules for mathematical expressions, what you wrote means
\left(\frac{3}{n}\right)^2 n,
but may be you meant
\left(\frac{3}{n}\right)^{2 n}.
If you meant the latter, write it as (3/n)^(2n).
 
You can see that the the denominator will increase faster than the nominator when ##n>2##. The limit is positive and is bounded by 0. So you just need to find a function which bounds your sequence and converges to 0 also when the limit goes to infinity. In this case I suggest having a function in form of geometric sequence. If that's so then you can prove that this series reaches 0.
 
It's pretty easy to show that the sequence goes to 0 for n \rightarrow \infty, if you consider the logarithm of the expression.
 

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