Solving Limits with Delta-Epsilon Proofs

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The discussion revolves around solving a limit using delta-epsilon proofs, specifically the limit as \((x,y)\) approaches \((0,0)\) for the expression \(\frac{x^2+y^2}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+1}-1}\). Participants explore various methods to evaluate this limit, including the use of polar coordinates and L'Hôpital's rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about delta-epsilon proofs and the limit in question.
  • Another suggests converting to polar coordinates as a potential method for finding the limit.
  • Several participants note that converting to polar coordinates simplifies the limit to one variable.
  • Concerns are raised about encountering an indeterminate form (0/0) when evaluating the limit using polar coordinates.
  • A participant claims to have found the limit to be 2, questioning if this is the final answer.
  • Another participant confirms they also arrived at the limit of 2 and explains their reasoning using polar coordinates.
  • There is a mention of testing the limit with various functions to verify consistency in the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limit being 2 based on their calculations, but there is no consensus on the method of evaluation, with some preferring polar coordinates and others suggesting different approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of delta-epsilon proofs and the handling of indeterminate forms. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the limit evaluation process.

Who May Find This Useful

Students learning about limits, delta-epsilon proofs, and those seeking different methods for evaluating multivariable limits.

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PLEASE HELP! i am so lost on this. we're using delta epsilon proofs and i am so confused since it was never properly taught to me in calc 1.

find the limit.
$\lim_{{(x,y)}\to{(0,0)}}\frac{x^2+y^2}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+1}-1}$
 
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I'm thinkin' you should convert to polar coordinates...

Usually you are given the value of the limit in an epsilon-delta proof. To simply find the value of this limit, convert to polars, then use L'Hôpital. What do you find?
 
im confused on how to find the limit of this...
 
ineedhelpnow said:
im confused on how to find the limit of this...

Converting to polar coordinates means to use:

$$r^2=x^2+y^2$$

Then you will have a limit in one variable...
 
im lookin at the way my book would do it and first that set f(x,y)=(whatever your taking the limit of) and then they do f(x,0) (which I am stuck on) and f(0,y). by using polar coordinates, wouldn't i end up with a 0 in the denominator?
 
ineedhelpnow said:
im lookin at the way my book would do it and first that set f(x,y)=(whatever your taking the limit of) and then they do f(x,0) (which I am stuck on) and f(0,y). by using polar coordinates, wouldn't i end up with a 0 in the denominator?

You will end up with the indeterminate form 0/0, and so this is why I suggested our friend L'Hôpital. :D
 
oh i got it using another method. the answer is 2. is that the final answer though?

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i think the way my book wants me to do it is by testing it with several functions to see if it all approaches the same limit.
 
Yes, 2 is what I got...

$$\lim_{r\to0}\frac{r^2}{\sqrt{r^2+1}-1}=\lim_{r\to0}\frac{2r}{\dfrac{2r}{2\sqrt{r^2+1}}}=\lim_{r\to0}2\sqrt{r^2+1}=2$$

edit: I wanted to add that since when we converted to polar coordinates, and there was no $\theta$, we know we are approaching the limit from "all angles." :D
 

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