Solving Low Resistance Problem to Generate Magnetic Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around generating a magnetic field around a coil using a sinusoidal waveform from a function generator. Participants explore issues related to low resistance in the coil, current draw, impedance matching, and circuit design for effective magnetic field generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the coil has low resistance and is not drawing much current, suggesting it may act like a short circuit.
  • Another participant questions the resistance of the coil and the impedance of the voltage source, asking if the voltage source can act as a current source.
  • A participant mentions that the function generator has a 50-ohm impedance and suggests matching the coil to this impedance.
  • Concerns are raised about using impedance matching circuits at high frequencies, with a suggestion to use an RF transformer instead.
  • One participant proposes using a parallel resonant circuit to increase current flow in the inductor, emphasizing the need for safety and high-quality components.
  • Another participant expresses interest in transferring 1-2 watts of power over a distance of at least 1 meter and asks for clarification on impedance matching taps.
  • References are provided by participants for further reading on related topics, specifically in the context of MRI receive coils.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to address the low resistance issue and the methods for impedance matching. No consensus is reached on a single solution or method.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the function generator's impedance and the challenges of using impedance matching circuits at high frequencies. There are also unresolved questions regarding the specifics of impedance matching and circuit design.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electromagnetic theory, circuit design, and applications involving magnetic fields and impedance matching in high-frequency contexts.

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I want to generate magnetic field around a coil.. For this am giving input a sinusoidal wave form from function generator. But the coil(18AWG cu) wire is not drawing much current as the coil has low resistance. When i calculated X and Z at different frequencies they are like this

freq: X : Z
100 0.00771 0.0775
1Khz 0.07669 0.1088
100Khz 7.51 7.51
1Mhz 74.03 74.05


how can i eliminate the problem of low resistance, i think it is acting as short ciruit.. while measuring in LCR meter i even found that my capacitance values are negative how it will happen like this? how can i achieve good field around the coil?
 
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If it is low resistance then you should be drawing a lot of current. Do you know the resistance of the coil and the impedance of your voltage source? Can your voltage source act as a current source?
 
From the above measured values i can see that the resistance is almost negligible... I am using function generator from agilent it has impedance 50 ohms
 
Then you should make sure to match your coil to 50 Ohms also.
 
How can we make it match with 50 ohm i can't use impedance matching circuit like cc amplifier because i am using at 10MHz .. is there any other solution for that
 
Vikas_Madhu said:
I want to generate magnetic field around a coil.. For this am giving input a sinusoidal wave form from function generator. But the coil(18AWG cu) wire is not drawing much current as the coil has low resistance.
If you were to settle on using a particular frequency, then you could arrange for the coil to be the L in an LC tuned circuit resonant at that frequency. In a parallel resonant circuit, the current flowing in the inductor can be hundreds of times that drawn from the external circuit. Couple energy into the inductor using an impedance-matching tap partway up the coil. Keep safety in mind. Prepare insulation for high voltages; the voltage is magnified by the same factor as is the current. High quality, high voltage capacitors are required.

If you intend drawing a lot of energy from the magnetic field, then this will probably defeat what I've suggested.

As for your low current: if your signal source has an impedance of 50Ω, and voltages are around 10V, then it can't supply more than ⅕A anyway.
 
Vikas_Madhu said:
How can we make it match with 50 ohm i can't use impedance matching circuit like cc amplifier because i am using at 10MHz .. is there any other solution for that
An RF transformer.
 
NascentOxygen said:
If you were to settle on using a particular frequency, then you could arrange for the coil to be the L in an LC tuned circuit resonant at that frequency. In a parallel resonant circuit, the current flowing in the inductor can be hundreds of times that drawn from the external circuit. Couple energy into the inductor using an impedance-matching tap partway up the coil. Keep safety in mind. Prepare insulation for high voltages; the voltage is magnified by the same factor as is the current. High quality, high voltage capacitors are required.

If you intend drawing a lot of energy from the magnetic field, then this will probably defeat what I've suggested.

As for your low current: if your signal source has an impedance of 50Ω, and voltages are around 10V, then it can't supply more than ⅕A anyway.

My application is to transfer 1- 2watts power to a distance of atleast 1meter so do you think parallel resonant circuit works better for me..? and can you explain little more about impedance matching tap ... thing or can you provide any link where i can get an idea of it..?
 
Here is a decent reference on this topic. The context is MRI receive coils, but it should work for your application too, just you are doing high power:

www.measurement.sk/Papers3/andris-2.pdf

And here is another reference with a little more background:
http://www.stanford.edu/~jbarral/CoilDesign.html
 
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DaleSpam said:
Here is a decent reference on this topic. The context is MRI receive coils, but it should work for your application too, just you are doing high power:

www.measurement.sk/Papers3/andris-2.pdf

And here is another reference with a little more background:
http://www.stanford.edu/~jbarral/CoilDesign.html

Thank u sir for your information
 
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