Solving Magnetic Flux Through a Sphere in a Homogeneous Field

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The problem involves calculating the magnetic flux through the upper half of a sphere placed in a homogeneous magnetic field, specifically defined by a magnetic flux density vector. The sphere has a radius of 2 cm and is centered at the origin, with the task focusing on the flux crossing the surface where the z-coordinate is greater than or equal to zero.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the use of surface integrals and the divergence theorem. Some explore the implications of the divergence of the magnetic field being zero and how it relates to the flux through different surfaces. Others question the interpretation of the hemisphere's boundaries and the integration process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various hints and suggestions being provided. Some participants have attempted calculations and shared their results, while others express confusion and seek further clarification. There is a mix of ideas about using divergence and surface integrals, but no consensus has been reached on the final solution.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to find the flux only through the upper hemisphere and the implications of the divergence theorem. There are also mentions of homework rules that limit the sharing of complete solutions.

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Homework Statement



In homogeneous magnetic field the magnetic flux density vector is B = (0, 5T)ez (ez is unit vector in z direction). There is a sphere of radius R = 2cm with its centre at the origin. Find the flux crossing that half of the
sphere surface for which z larger or equal to 0!

Homework Equations



surface integral over B*ez?

The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure how to calculate this..

Thanks a lot for any help!
 
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hi faen! :smile:

hint: divergence :wink:
 
Consider a differentially thin strip of area dA on the sphere's surface at z = z0. Let r be a line connecting a point on the strip and meeting the z axis at a right angle. Let angle θ be the polar angle, i.e the angle between the z axis and a line connecting a point on the strip with the origin. So the strip can alternatively be defined by θ = constant.

So r = Rsinθ where R is the radius of the sphere. What is the area dA of this strip?

So every strip dA has its own constant θ and therefore B * n is constant thruout the strip, where n is the normal to the strip but B * n will be a function of θ only. (I am using * to denote the dot-product).

Then integrate B * n from θ = 0 to pi/2.
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi faen! :smile:

hint: divergence :wink:

You think they meant to include the bottom of the hemisphere? I assumed not.
 
rude man said:
You think they meant to include the bottom of the hemisphere?

no :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
no :smile:

So - divergence?

Ooh, wait - like the bottom surface integral = -top surface integral? Clever!
 
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Just had another thought - how about Stokes? In which case never mind my 1st post.
EDIT: Scratch that.
 
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Thanks for the input so far :)

With the integration I got ∫2*0.5 \pi r2sin2\thetacos 90-\theta d\theta

I'm not sure if I could integrate it, but I think I'd get some points for this solution still.

I still don't know how I can use divergence to solve the problem.. I think I need further hints.. If you could please post the solution for me it would be nice, since I have exam tomorrow early and need to go to sleep :)
 
faen said:

Homework Statement



In homogeneous magnetic field the magnetic flux density vector is B = (0, 5T)ez (ez is unit vector in z direction). There is a sphere of radius R = 2cm with its centre at the origin. Find the flux crossing that half of the
sphere surface for which z larger or equal to 0!

Homework Equations



surface integral over B*ez?

The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure how to calculate this..

Thanks a lot for any help!

Tiny tim has given you - us! - a clever hint! Making the computation extremely easy compared to what I posted.
 
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rude man said:
Tiny tim has given you - us! - a clever hint! Making the computation extremely easy compared to what I posted.

I know but I still don't get it.. Can u give another hint please?
 
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faen said:
Thanks for the input so far :)

With the integration I got ∫2*0.5 \pi r2sin2\thetacos 90-\theta d\theta

I'm not sure if I could integrate it, but I think I'd get some points for this solution still.

I still don't know how I can use divergence to solve the problem.. I think I need further hints.. If you could please post the solution for me it would be nice, since I have exam tomorrow early and need to go to sleep :)

What is div B at any point in space? Remember div B = 0?

So what does the divergence theorem say? What is the total flux thru the hemisphere including the bottom planar area? And if all the flux entering at the bottom has to leave at the top (the curved surface), how can you easily compute the latter?

We cannot just 'post the solution'. That violates our rules. We can give hints only. You won't learn anything by having someone give you the sol'n on a silver platter. I'm giving you plenty hints already.
 
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rude man said:
What is div B at any point in space? Remember div B = 0?

So what does the divergence theorem say? What is the total flux thru the hemisphere including the bottom planar area? And if all the flux entering at the bottom has to leave at the top (the curved surface), how can you easily compute the latter?

We cannot just 'post the solution'. That violates our rules. We can give hints only. You won't learn anything by having someone give you the sol'n on a silver platter. I'm giving you plenty hints already.

That means that the total flux is zero.. As gauss law for magnetic fields I guess. I still don't know how to calculate half of the sphere though..
 
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maybe 0.5 * surface area of circle?
 
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faen said:
maybe 0.5 * surface area of circle?

Why 0.5? All that goes in at the bottom must pop out at the top!
 
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rude man said:
Why 0.5? All that goes in at the bottom must pop out at the top!

0.5 is the magnetic field density.. So i was thinking if that is multiplied with the surface area of a circle (bottom of the object in question) then that would be the same amount of flux leaving at the top?

I still didn't get the right answer, it's supposed to be 0, 6283 mVs

and I calculated it to be 0.5*4*pi*0.02^2 = 0.025

I'm not supposed to turn a surface integral into a volume integral (gauss theorem) or am I?
 
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hi faen! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
faen said:
0.5 is the magnetic field density.. So i was thinking if that is multiplied with the surface area of a circle (bottom of the object in question) then that would be the same amount of flux leaving at the top?

correct! :smile:

the divergence is zero, so you can choose any surface with the same boundary

I calculated it to be 0.5*4*pi*0.02^2 = 0.025

uhh? check your calculator :confused:

(and where does the 4 come from?)
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi faen! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)


correct! :smile:

the divergence is zero, so you can choose any surface with the same boundary



uhh? check your calculator :confused:

(and where does the 4 come from?)


I got it! Thanks a lot! I checked again the formula for circle and it was \pir2.. So removing the 4 gave the right answer :)
 
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rude man said:
Why 0.5? All that goes in at the bottom must pop out at the top!

OK, I get confused with the European way of writing the decimal point ... yes, the answer is B*A where A is the area of the flat bottom of the hemisphere.
 

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