Solving Non-linear Problem for x between 0 and L

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The discussion revolves around solving a non-linear problem related to the voltage distribution along a wire with non-ohmic resistance. Participants explore mathematical approaches to determine the voltage as a function of position along the wire, given specific boundary conditions and a known current function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a wire with non-ohmic resistance and seeks methods to find the voltage distribution V(x) along the wire, given the current function I=f(V_A, V_B).
  • Another participant notes that without additional assumptions about the voltage distribution, V(x) cannot be determined beyond the endpoints V_A and V_B.
  • A hypothetical scenario is proposed where the wire's radius is proportional to the voltage, suggesting this could lead to a balance relation to help find V(x).
  • Concerns are raised about the reference point for voltage, emphasizing that voltage needs a meaningful reference to be defined.
  • A participant suggests that a differential equation can be set up based on assumptions about the system, indicating that the form of the equation can vary.
  • A general solution for V(x) is presented, dependent on a continuous function f(x), but it is noted that the specific form of f(x) requires a physical model.
  • Another participant reiterates the arbitrary nature of voltage reference points and proposes a differential equation involving the current and differential resistance of the wire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions needed to determine V(x), with some emphasizing the need for additional conditions while others propose hypothetical scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific form of the voltage distribution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the assumptions necessary for defining V(x) and the dependence on the arbitrary nature of voltage reference points. The mathematical steps and specific forms of functions remain unresolved.

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Assume we have a straight piece of wire with two end points [itex]A[/itex] and
[itex]B[/itex] and with length [itex]L[/itex] where [itex]x_{A}=0[/itex] and [itex]x_{B}=L[/itex]. The wire
has non-ohmic resistance and hence the current is not proportional
to the potential difference, i.e. [itex]\left(V_{A}-V_{B}\right)[/itex]. In
fact the current is a function of the voltage at [itex]A[/itex] and [itex]B[/itex], that
is [itex]I=f\left(V_{A},V_{B}\right)[/itex].

I know [itex]f[/itex] and hence I know the current. However, I do not know [itex]V[/itex]
as a function of [itex]x[/itex] [itex]\left(0<x<L\right)[/itex]. I tried several mathematical
tricks, mainly from the calculus of variation, trying to find [itex]V\left(x\right)[/itex]
but I did not get a sensible result. Can anyone suggest a method
(whether from the calculus of variation or other branches of mathematics)
to solve this problem and obtain [itex]V\left(x\right)[/itex].
 
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From the mathematical side, your given functions/values say nothing about V(x) apart from x=a and x=b. Physics limits V(x) to be between V(a) and V(b) (unless you have some external connections to the wire), but nothing else. You need more assumptions about the potential to get V(x). Do you expect a linear shape of the voltage?
 
I assume the following hypothetical situation hoping this may bring us closer to the solution although it is not realistic.

Let's assume that the radius of this exceptional wire at any point x is proportional to the voltage at that point, that is the radius expands proportionally to the voltage. I am thinking of a possible balance relation that could be exploited to find the optimal V(x) which satisfies this relation and the two boundary conditions, as well as f. Can we find a solution from this extra condition?
 
If you change the voltage, the wire changes its diameter? ;)
that is the radius expands proportionally to the voltage
The voltage relative to what? Voltage needs a reference point to be meaningful for a point in the circuit.

You can set up a differential equation for basically any assumption you like, and solve it (if it is not too complicated), sure.
 
"The voltage relative to what?"
To the same reference voltage to which [itex]V_A[/itex] and [itex]V_B[/itex] are defined.

"You can set up a differential equation for basically any assumption you like, and solve it (if it is not too complicated), sure. "
Can you suggest a form for this differential equation?
 
Hi !
The general solution, only based on the first wording, is :
V(x) = Va +(f(x)-f(xa))(Vb-Va)/(f(xb)-f(xa))
V(x) = Va +(f(x)-f(0))(Vb-Va)/(f(L)-f(0))
where f(x) is any continuous function.
You cannot determine what kind of function f(x) is without a descriptive physical model for the electrical behaviour from A to B.
 
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JulieK said:
To the same reference voltage to which [itex]V_A[/itex] and [itex]V_B[/itex] are defined.
The problem is that this definition is arbitrary as well.

Can you suggest a form for this differential equation?
As soon as I understand what you actually want, sure.

As I is constant, the equation should look like ##\frac{dV}{dx}=I R(V,x)## where R(V,x) is the differential resistance (resistance per length) of the wire.
 

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