Solving Peskin Equation 12.66 Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a specific problem related to the Peskin Equation 12.66, focusing on the interpretation of variables and the derivation of terms within the equation. Participants explore the dimensionality of the Green's function and the transition from momentum definitions in the context of quantum field theory.

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  • One participant suggests that if ##p = -M##, then ##g\left( { - {{{p^2}} \over {{M^2}}}} \right)## simplifies to ##g\left( { - 1} \right)
  • Another participant questions the origin of the free 2 in the equation 12.66, linking it to the dimensionality of ##G##.
  • A different participant clarifies that Peskin/Schroeder defines ##p=\sqrt{-p^2}## for space-like ##p##, indicating a transition from 4-momentum to 3-momentum magnitude.
  • One participant explains the dimensional analysis involved in deriving the form of the two-point Green's function and its relation to the Callan-Symanzik equation.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about whether they were expected to derive the results independently.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to either derive non-trivial aspects for understanding or accept them without full comprehension.

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Participants express differing views on the expectations for deriving results and the interpretation of the equations, indicating that multiple perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of momentum and dimensionality are not fully articulated, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects of the derivation process.

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I have a problem with that equation. I understand (dont know if I'm right) that ##p = - M##. But than, isn't ##g\left( { - {{{p^2}} \over {{M^2}}}} \right)## just equal ##g\left( { - 1} \right)##?

And my bigest problem: in 12.66

##\left[ {p{\partial \over {\partial p}} - \beta \left( \lambda \right){\partial \over {\partial \lambda }} + 2 - 2\gamma \left( \lambda \right)} \right]{G^{\left( 2 \right)}}\left( p \right) = 0##

Where dose the free 2 (after the ##\beta ## term) comes from?

From looking at 12.78 and 12.84 I realize it's the inverse mass dimantionalty of ##G##, But how did it got ther?

Any help would be apriciated :)
 
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there is a transition I think from the 4-momentum ##p## to a 3-momentum magnitude ##p## in 12.66?
 
No, by definition Peskin/Schroeder sets ##p=\sqrt{-p^2}## for space-like ##p##, i.e., ##p^2<0##, where you evaluate the Green's functions (corresponding to Euclidean field theory) first. The key is (12.65), which makes use of dimensional analysis: For a massless theory the mass-dimension (-2) quantitiy ##G^{(2)}## must be proportional to ##1/p^2## times a dimensionless function of ##p##. Since for a massless theory the only way to get a dimensionless function like this, it must be a function of ##p^2/M^2##, where ##M## is the renormalization scale. Thus the two-point Green's function must be of the form (12.65):
$$G^{(2)}(p^2,M^2)=\frac{\mathrm{i}}{p^2} g(-p^2/M^2).$$
Now you can indeed express the derivative wrt. ##M## by a derivative with respect to ##p##, just knowing this functional form. In the original Callan-Symanzik equation you need the derivative
$$M \partial_M G^{(2)}=\frac{2\mathrm{i}}{M^2} g'(-p^2/M^2).$$
In the last step, I used (12.65). On the other hand from this ansatz you get
$$p \partial_p G^{(2)}=-\frac{2 \mathrm{i}}{p^2} g(-p^2/M^2)-\frac{2 \mathrm{i}}{M^2} g'(p^2/M^2)=-2 G^{(2)}-M \partial_M G^{(2)}.$$
In the last step used again (12.65) and our result for ##M \partial_M G^{(2)}##. From this you get
$$M \partial_M G^{(2)}=-p\partial_p G^{(2)}-2 G^{(2)}.$$
Now substituting this into the Callan-Symanzik equation and flip the sign on the left-hand side gives (12.66).

That's a fine trick to get the behavior of the Green's function by solving this RG flow equation, given the functions ##\beta## and ##\gamma##. This goes beyond perturbation theory despite the fact that ##\beta## and ##\gamma## are given only perturbatively. It's a kind of leading-log resummation (see Weinberg, The quantum theory of fields, vol. 2 for a nice explanation of this issue).
 
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My Hero :)

Just so I understand, I was supposed to get to that by myself?
 
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I was supposed to get to that by myself?

Ehmmm, is that a question...? you will either have to derive the things that seem non-trivial to you [in order to understand them], or you will have to just accept them as they are [if you don't care about understanding them]
 

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