Solving Phase Change Question: What is the specific heat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to phase changes and calorimetry, specifically focusing on calculating the specific heat of an unknown solid when mixed with ice. Participants explore the heat transfer involved in the process, including phase changes and temperature changes.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving 120.0g of an unknown solid at 235°C added to 1.5kg of ice at -20°C, questioning how to account for phase changes in the heat transfer calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that heat gained equals heat lost and suggests that the heating of water can be expressed as a sum of five parts, including latent heat for phase changes.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the term "surroundings" and its relevance to the problem, questioning whether it refers to external factors or other substances involved in the heat exchange.
  • There is a request for clarification on calculating the heat required to raise the temperature of ice to its melting point, indicating a need for further understanding of the calorimetry involved.
  • Participants discuss the specific heat capacities of water in different states, suggesting that these values are necessary for the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the role of "surroundings" in the problem, and there is ongoing confusion about how to approach the calculations involving phase changes and heat transfer. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the problem and the necessary calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and assumptions related to "surroundings" and how to properly account for phase changes in their calculations. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the heat transfer process.

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We have a tricky question for homework that is starting our new unit of phase changes, after we have been doing calorimetry

120.0g of an unknown solid at 235*c is added to a 1.5kg piece of ice at -20*c inside a styrofoam container. After a period of time, both substances areat 120*c. What is the specific heat of the unknown material in kJ/g.*c and kcal/g.*c?

Here's what I was thinking yesterday:

Qsurround = Mh20Ch20ΔT ([120]-[20])
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but I'm confused and that wouldn't account for the phase change in the question.

My teacher gave us this hint today:

"Qsurroundings = Q1 + Q2 + Q3 + Q4 + Q5"


Any help would be great thanks :)
 
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Not sure what surroundings have to do here. It is as usual - heat gained equals heat lost. If you started with ice and ended at 120 deg C, you had two phase changes on the way. Thus heating of the water can be expressed as sum of five parts - three being heating of water in different states of aggregation, two being latent heat of the phase change.

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Borek said:
Not sure what surroundings have to do here. It is as usual - heat gained equals heat lost. If you started with ice and ended at 120 deg C, you had two phase changes on the way. Thus heating of the water can be expressed as sum of five parts - three being heating of water in different states of aggregation, two being latent heat of the phase change.

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Yes, so if Ch20(s) = 2.05 J/g.*c and Ch20(g) = 2.08 J/g.*c and we need to find Qsurroundings of each of the 5 parts, what would I do?
 
Sorry, I have no idea what you mean by surroundings. In the calorimeter we did everything possible to isolate everything involved from the surroundings, so we have to deal with heat gained by things that were cold, and heat lost by things that were initially hot.

I can only guess that by surroudnings you mean things OTHER then the substance for which you make calculations, but it doesn't make much sense in this case.

Let's start with water - there are three stages of heating, an you have already listed equation that have to be used (although you listed it in a very cryptic way - please use * for multiplication, guessing where are the borders between variable names in Mh20Ch20ΔT is a waste of time). Can you calculate amount of heat required for raising temperature of ice to the melting point?

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dnartS said:
Can you calculate amount of heat required for raising temperature of ice to the melting point?
How would I calculate the amount of heat required for raising temperature of ice to 0*c?

How would you calculate the amount of heat required for raising temperature of ANY substance by ΔT?

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