Solving Problem with Vectors - Velocity & Accel.

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The problem involves analyzing the velocity and acceleration of a particle moving in the xy plane, with specific questions regarding the acceleration at a given time, conditions for zero acceleration, and when the speed equals 10 m/s.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to solve for when the speed equals 10 m/s using the velocity equation but encounters difficulties with negative values in the quadratic formula. Other participants question the assumptions made regarding the conditions under which the square root is valid and suggest exploring the implications of those assumptions.

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Participants are actively discussing the implications of the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the validity of certain steps when t exceeds a specific value. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem without reaching a negative square root.

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There is a noted assumption that t must be less than or equal to 56/45 for certain steps to hold, which is being questioned in the context of the problem.

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The velocity of a particle moving in the xy plane is given by = (5.6 t - 4.5 t2) + 8.2, with in meters per second and t (> 0) in seconds. (a) What is the acceleration when t = 3.3 s? (b) When (if ever) is the acceleration zero? (c) When (if ever) does the speed equal 10 m/s?

I got the first 2 but when I went to find c I can't seem to get it.

I took

10m/s = sqrt((5.6t - 4.5t^2)^2 + (8.2)^2
10^2 = (sqrt((5.6t - 4.5t^2)^2 + (8.2)^2)^2
100 = (5.6t - 4.5t^2)^2 + 67.24)
32.76 = (5.6t - 4.5t^2)^2
sqrt(32.76) = sqrt((5.6t - 4.5t^2)^2)
5.72 = 5.6t - 4.5t^2
0 = -4.5t^2 + 5.6t - 5.72
then I used quadratic to find out the two values...
but I get a negative in the sqrt on the quadratic and I can't do that... any suggestions?
 
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You implicitly assumed [itex]t<=56/45[/itex]
when you wrote
[tex]\sqrt{(5.6t-4.5t^2)^2} = 5.6t-4.5t^2[/tex]
What happens if [itex]t>56/45[/itex]?
 
so how do you figure it out? I'm not sure how you would go about doing it.

Could you take

5.6t-4.5t^2
t(5.6-4.5t)
t = 5.6/4.5 ?

if so what happens with the 5.72 on the other side of the equation?
 
My hint wasn't good enough.

It is not valid to write [itex]\sqrt{(5.6t-4.5t^2)^2} = 5.6t-4.5t^2[/itex] when [itex]t>56/45[/itex] because [itex]5.6t-4.5t^2[/itex] is negative.

For example, try [itex]t=2[/itex]. The velocity vector at [itex]t=2[/itex] is [itex][ 5.6*2 - 4.5*2^2, 8.2 ] = [ -6.8, 8.2 ][/itex]. Note that the [itex]x[/itex] component of the velocity is negative. [itex]\sqrt{(-6.8)^2} = 6.8,\text{\ not\ } -6.8[/itex].
 
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