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The discussion revolves around various exercises from textbooks, primarily focusing on vector calculus concepts such as divergence, gradient, and Stokes' theorem. Participants express confusion regarding specific problems and seek clarification on the underlying principles and formulas.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants share their struggles with understanding the application of vector calculus operations, particularly regarding the gradient and divergence. Questions arise about the interpretation of specific terms like "r dot grad" and the implications of Stokes' theorem. Some participants attempt to clarify their understanding by discussing the relationships between different vector operations and their results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in clarifying concepts and sharing insights. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of vector operations, but there remains a lack of consensus on certain problems, indicating that multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants mention constraints such as upcoming tests and the need for a deeper understanding of the material. There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of problems and the application of formulas, particularly in relation to the intersection of surfaces and the use of cylindrical coordinates.

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I encountered many problems while doing exercises in textbooks. :confused: And i have stated it down in a word document attached in this post. Hope someone can help and teach me how to solve those problems. Answers are given. I just don't know how to get those answer.

Thanks a lot. :smile:

p/s : Emergency = next week test. :bugeye:

(2), (4), (5), (6) solved.. thanks
 

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Welcome to PF!

You must show some of your own work here; don't expect your homework to be done for you!
Having said that, let's take a specific question, nr. 4:
Now, what are your problems with this particular exercise?
Make a detailed comment on this.
 
r dot grad T should be a scalar ? i wonder y answer's a vector. I used formulas and can't get those answers. Just can't understand why. So seeking help. Thanks.
 
The answer should be a vector, as it is given in the answer (i haven't checked if the answer given is correct)

I hope you know about the grad "vector":
grad=\vec{a}_{x}\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}+\vec{a}_{y}\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}+\vec{a}_{z}\frac{\partial}{\partial{z}}

For example, the divergence of a vector \vec{v} is given by:
div\vec{v}=grad\cdot\vec{v}

Are you familiar with this notation?
 
actually i don't know what means (r dot grad) ? i know div and grad as well
p/s: how you draw those symbols?
 
You can click on the LATEX code to see how you write it .

OK, so you know the "grad", which I'll henceforth write as \nabla

Let's first review how we get the scalar known as "divergence"
(\nabla\cdot\vec{v})
Let \vec{v}=u\vec{a}_{x}+v\vec{a}_{y}+w\vec{a}_{z}

We then have that:
\nabla\cdot\vec{v}=\vec{a}_{x}\cdot(\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\vec{v})+\vec{a}_{y}\cdot(\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\vec{v})+\vec{a}_{z}\cdot(\frac{\partial}{\partial{z}}\vec{v})

This simplifies to, in our case:
\nabla\cdot\vec{v}=\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}}+\frac{\partial{v}}{\partial{y}}+\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{z}}

(Please comment if this doesn't make sense to you!)

Now, we're ready to tackle \vec{v}\cdot\nabla
This is also a "dot" product (scalar product), and looks like:
\vec{v}\cdot\nabla=u\vec{a}_{x}\cdot\nabla+v\vec{a}_{y}\cdot\nabla+w\vec{a}_{z}\cdot\nabla

Or, simplified:
\vec{v}\cdot\nabla=u\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}+v\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}+w\frac{\partial}{\partial{z}}

This is a "scalar" operator which you then apply on T.
 
The answer is correct, BTW
 
oic thanks
 
in q 5 : i found the surface integral = -2, but line integral = 7/6. it didn't match Stoke's theorem.. i wonder y...
 
  • #10
i never learn that inverse dot product b4.. hehe... thanks
 
  • #11
and q 2 i really have no idea
 
  • #12
OK, first:
Have you checked that you get no.4 right?

Secondly, try and group together a few questions you think "belong" to each other, which you would like to focus on.
 
  • #13
no.1 to 6 are about vectors. All about integrals.. I just wonder y can't get answers using formulas. No.2 is really don't know how to start also.
 
  • #14
no.5 curl = -x^2 in z direction.. then integral can't get 7/6
 
  • #15
OK, we'll look into 2 (but you did check 4, or what?).

2.
Now, you've been given equations for two surfaces.
In general, if you have a surface given on the form S(x,y,z)=0 (or constant),
you know that the normal on that surface at a point (x,y,z) is parallell to the gradient of S (evaluated on the same point).
Post what you get here in some detail.
 
  • #16
can't get no.4 answer
 
  • #17
Post what you've done. In detail.
 
  • #18
1) since z=0, a_{r} has no a_{x} component , a_{\phi} = -\sin{\phi}{a}_{r} + \cos{\phi}{a}_{\phi} ... and i can't t the answer for (a) and so on
 
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  • #19
I meant on Q4; the one I started with.
 
  • #20
(r dot grad T ) = (\vec{r}\cdot\nabla){T}={{x}a_{x}}\frac{\partial{2zy}}{\partial{x}}+{{y}a_{y}}\frac{\partial{xy^2}}{\partial{y}}+{{z}a_{z}}\frac{\partial{x^2yz}}{\partial{z}}
is it?
 
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  • #21
(2), (3) no ideas
(5) i got \nabla\times{F}={-x^2}{a}_{z} and can't get the answer
 
  • #22
Absolutely not!
We gained:
\vec{r}\cdot\nabla=x\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}+y\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}+z\frac{\partial}{\partial{z}}

We then have:
(\vec{r}\cdot\nabla)\vec{T}=x\frac{\partial\vec{T}}{\partial{x}}+y\frac{\partial\vec{T}}{\partial{y}}+z\frac{\partial\vec{T}}{\partial{z}}
 
  • #23
2) Take your first surface (given as an equation)
a)Rewrite that equation into a form S(x,y,z)=0,(introduce S(x,y,z) for the expression in x,y,z)

b) Calculate the gradient of S
 
  • #24
ooops.. finally understand and get it.. thanks for patience... hehe
 
  • #25
arildno said:
2) Take your first surface (given as an equation)
a)Rewrite that equation into a form S(x,y,z)=0,(introduce S(x,y,z) for the expression in x,y,z)
can't get it... for an example?
 
  • #26
In question 2, the coordinates for the intersection doesn't make sense

Either it should be (1,2,1) (not (1-2,1)), or there is some other wrong troubling it.

Question 3 doesn't seem to make any sense at all..
 
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oh typed it wrong.. should be (-1, 2, 1)

(3) it wants \oint{V}{dS}
 
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  • #28
that means S1(x,y,z)={x^2}{y}+{z-3}, S2(x,y,z)={x}{\log}{z}-{y^2}+{4} ?
but {\nabla}{S2} i never learn b4 (the log one)
 
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  • #29
Allright, I'll give you an example of what I mean:
(x-a)^{2}+(y-b)^{2}+(z-c)^{2}=R^{2}

Clearly, this equation describes the shell of a sphere with center at (a,b,c).
We may rewrite the equation as:
S(x,y,z)=0
where in this case, we have:
S(x,y,z)=(x-a)^{2}+(y-b)^{2}+(z-c)^{2}-R^{2}

That is, the spherical shell is composed of those points on which the function S is zero(right?)

The gradient of S is easily found:
\nabla{S}=2(x-a)\vec{a}_{x}+2(y-b)\vec{a}_{y}+2(z-c)\vec{a}_{z}

The unit normal at a given point (x,y,z) is parallell to \nabla{S} there, but of unit length.
See if this helps you along.
 
  • #30
You have the correct expressions for S1 and S2.
Now differientiate with the gradient; log(z) is the natural logarithm to z, if you are familiar with that concept.
 

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