Solving Problems with Tensor in 2+1 Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the properties and calculations involving tensors in 2+1 dimensions, particularly focusing on antisymmetric Lorentz tensors and their implications for the electromagnetic field and Lagrangian formulations. Participants explore the relationships between various tensor components and the implications for deriving equations of motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the expression for the epsilon tensor and its indices, questioning whether the professor's notation is a typo.
  • Another participant suggests that the contraction of epsilon tensors results in a sum of products of their values, indicating that the result depends on the specific combinations of indices.
  • There is a challenge regarding the calculation of the Euler-Lagrange equations, with one participant seeking confirmation on their approach and whether their derivations are correct.
  • A participant points out a fundamental property of tensor notation, emphasizing the need to avoid having the same index appear more than once in a term.
  • Another participant proposes a potential correction to the Lagrangian expression involving the epsilon tensors and discusses the implications for the mass term in the equations derived.
  • One participant mentions that the expression for the epsilon tensors can be represented as an identity involving Kronecker deltas through index permutation.
  • A later reply indicates a recalculation of the derivative of the Lagrangian, suggesting adjustments based on previous discussions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the tensor notation or the calculations involved. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the implications of the professor's notation and the derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the notation of the epsilon tensor and its implications for tensor calculations. Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their derivations and the potential presence of typos in the original expressions provided by the professor.

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I'm having a lot of problems with tensors. Here is what the professor in class told us in the lecture notes

In three spacetime dimensions (two space plus one time) an antisymmetric Lorentz tensor
F^{\mu\nu} = -F^{\nu\mu} is equivalent to an axial Lorentz vector, F^{\mu\nu} = e^{\mu\nu\lambda}F_{\lambda}. Consequently, in 3D
one can have a massive photon despite unbroken gauge invariance of the electromagnetic
field A_{\mu}. Indeed, consider the following Lagrangian:

L = -(1/2)*F_{\lambda}F^{\lambda} + (m/2)*F_{\lambda}A^{\lambda} (6)

where

F_{\lambda}(x) = (1/2)*\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu} = \epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu},

or in components, F_{0} = -B, F1 = +E^{2}, F_{2} = -E^{1}.

In 2+1 dimension, \epsilon^{\alpha\beta\gamma}\epsilon_{\alpha}^{\mu\nu} = g^{\alpha\mu}g^{\beta\nu} - g^{\alpha\nu}g^{\beta\mu}
That last part above may be a typo because I've never seen an epsilon without all of its indices either upstairs or downstairs

I'm having trouble with two things
1. Using the last part above, does that mean that
\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}\epsilon^{\lambda\mu\nu} = g^{\lambda\mu}g^{\mu\nu} - g^{\lambda\nu}g^{\mu\mu} = g^{\lambda\mu}g^{\mu\nu} - g^{\lambda\nu}?

If so, would that give \epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}\epsilon^{\lambda\mu\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu} = \partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}\partial^{\nu}A^{\mu} - \partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}A^{\lambda} ?2. But when I tried to write out the Lagrangian, I got

L = -(1/2)\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu} + (m/2)\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}A^{\lambda}

so
\frac{\partial L}{\partial A^{\lambda}} = (m/2)\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu} \partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}

and
\frac{\partial L}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu}) } = -\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}\epsilon^{\lambda\mu\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu} + (m/2)\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}g^{\mu\nu}A^{\lambda}
 
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I think I can help with \epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma} \epsilon^{\alpha\beta\gamma}. The epsilon tensor can only have three values (-1, 0, 1), and we are contracting two of them. So we are going to have pairs of -1s and 1s and 0s begin multiplied and added together. That is
<br /> \epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma} \epsilon^{\alpha\beta\gamma}= \epsilon_{000}\epsilon^{000} +...+ \epsilon_{123}\epsilon^{123} +...+ \epsilon_{213}\epsilon^{213}+...
So considering these will be something like (-1)(-1)+(0)(0)+...+(-1)(-1)+... etc... what will the sum be?

Unless you made a typo... in which case you are referring to the identity that two epsilon tensors contracting an index turn into two permutations of the remaining indecies for the metric, which is like what you wrote. These identities are on the wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permutation_symbol
 
is the epsilon that does not have ALL of its indices either upstairs or downstairs a typo? If not, then the usual product of epsilons is of no use since they will now follow the relation the prof gave us in 2+1 dimensions
 
The prof just told me the indices not being ALL up or downstairs is not a typo. I still would like to know if I'm calculating the Euler lagrange equations correctly or not.
 
There's a basic property of tensor notation that you're overlooking - a term can only have two occurrences of the same index in it, one upstairs and the other downstairs. You need to correct this before anything else can be said about your derivation.
 
so you're saying that to fix the error, I should set F_{\lambda}F^{\lambda} = (1/4)\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}\epsilon^{\lambda\alpha\beta}F_{\alpha\beta}?

If so, that still would not get rid of the m term in the equation I got for \frac{\partial L}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu})}, which I think is where the problem is
 
If I'm not mistaken that looks good, and you can write \epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma}\epsilon^{\alpha\delta\lambda} as an identity in Kronecker deltas by permuting the indices.
 
I forgot to say that I recalculated

\frac{\partial L}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu})} = -(\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu} - \partial^{\nu}A^{\mu})) + (m/2)\epsilon_{\lambda}^{\mu\nu}A^{\lambda}
 

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