Solving Second Order Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation of the form \(\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2} = y\). Participants are exploring various methods and concepts related to this equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the equation by introducing a substitution and integrating, but expresses uncertainty about the integration step. Other participants discuss the nature of the equation and suggest that it is a linear equation with constant coefficients. There is mention of using hyperbolic functions for integration, and one participant questions the use of inverse hyperbolic functions.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating functions involving hyperbolic identities and are considering the implications of different substitutions. There is a recognition of the original poster's uncertainty about their approach.

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Homework Statement



Solve [tex]\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2} = y[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = v[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2} = v \frac{dv}{dy}[/tex]


[tex]v \frac{dv}{dy} = y[/tex]

[tex]v dv = y dy[/tex]

[tex]\int v dv = \int y dy[/tex]

[tex]v^2 = y^2 + C[/tex]

[tex]( \frac{dy}{dt} )^2 = y^2 + C[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = \sqrt{ y^2 + C }[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{dy}{ \sqrt{ y^2 + C }} = \int dt[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{dy}{ \sqrt{ y^2 + C }} = t[/tex]

I have no idea how to integrate this. Have I gone wrong somewhere?

Thanks in advance for any help.


 
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There is one function whose derivative is exactly equal to the function itself. It follows that the second derivative would also be equal to the original function.
 
Oh wow how did I not see that.

Thanks for the help!
 
The is a "linear equation with constant coefficients" so there is an easy solution as Mark44 pointed out.

But your method is interesting- and right! To integrate
[tex]\int \frac{dy}{\sqrt{y^2+1}}[/tex]
use a "hyperbolic" substitution. Let y= sinh(u). Since sinh2(u)+ 1= cosh2(u), [itex]\sqrt{y^2+ 1}= \sqrt{cosh^2(u)}= cosh(u)[/itex]. Also du= cosh(u) du so this becomes simply
[tex]\int du= u+ C2= sinh(y)+ C[/tex]

Of course, since
[tex]sinh(y)= \frac{e^y- e^{-y}}{2}[/tex]
You can see how that fits the "usual" solution.
 
I see, quite true. I don't know too much about hyperbolic functions but I see what your saying. Thanks for the help!
 
But should

[tex]u = sinh^-^1 (y)[/tex] ?
 

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