Solving Simple System of Equations: Step-by-Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving exponential terms. The equations presented are 2x + 2y = 10 and (2x)² + (2y)² = 68, which leads to challenges in substitution and manipulation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various methods for manipulating the equations, including attempts to divide or substitute variables. Some question the validity of certain algebraic manipulations and the implications of the relationships between the variables.

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Several participants have offered different approaches to tackle the equations, including transforming the variables and considering quadratic forms. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, with some noting the existence of multiple solutions.

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Participants highlight the difficulty in simplifying the equations and the potential for multiple solutions due to the symmetrical nature of the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



2x + 2y = 10

(2x)2 + (2y)2 = 68

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



If I divide them, I'm right back where I started to:

2x+ 2y = 6.8

I can't subtract or substitute either because that turns into a mess. Thanks for any help.
 
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Try solving for 2^x in the top expression then insert that in the bottom expression and expand. Then solve the quadratic replacing 2^y with z (or whatever) and then find the appropriate result.
 
DrummingAtom said:

Homework Statement



2x + 2y = 10

(2x)2 + (2y)2 = 68

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



If I divide them, I'm right back where I started to:

2x+ 2y = 6.8

I can't subtract or substitute either because that turns into a mess. Thanks for any help.
I can see that 68/10 = 6.8. Are you thinking that
[tex]\frac{(2^x)^2 + (2^y)^2}{2^x + 2^y} = 2^x + 2^y \text{?}[/tex]

That's not true at all. That's like saying that (3 + 8)/(1 + 4) = 3 + 2 = 5. The true value of the expression on the left is 11/5 = 2.2.
 
DrummingAtom said:

Homework Statement



2x + 2y = 10

(2x)2 + (2y)2 = 68

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



If I divide them, I'm right back where I started to:

2x+ 2y = 6.8

I can't subtract or substitute either because that turns into a mess. Thanks for any help.

Write a = 2^x and b = 2^y, so your equations become a + b = 10 and a^2 + b^2 = 68. Note that if we square both sides of the first equation we get 100 = (a+b)^2, and we can write this as 100 = a^2 + b^2 + 2*a*b. Since we already know a^2 + b^2 from the second equation, we can get a*b. So now we have a simpler system in which we know a + b and a*b. From these, we can get 'a' by solving a quadratic equation, although you need to worry about which of the two quadratic roots you should use. Once you have 'a' you can get 'b', and then you can get x and y from those.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
...although you need to worry about which of the two quadratic roots you should use. Once you have 'a' you can get 'b', and then you can get x and y from those.

Little note: there is not a single solution to these equations (when I worked it, I got two symmetrical solutions). So both roots should be valid. (multiple solutions make sense since y and x are equally weighted in both systems)
 

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