Solving Simultaneous Equations: x^2+y^2=5, 1/x^2+1/y^2=5/4

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The discussion revolves around solving simultaneous equations involving a quadratic equation, \(x^2 + y^2 = 5\), and a rational equation, \(\frac{1}{x^2} + \frac{1}{y^2} = \frac{5}{4}\). Participants explore the implications of their algebraic manipulations and the geometric interpretations of the equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss rearranging the first equation and substituting it into the second. There are attempts to factor and solve the resulting equations, leading to different solutions based on the methods used. Questions arise regarding the validity of these methods and the nature of the solutions obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the correctness of their approaches and exploring the implications of their findings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a zero on one side of the equation for certain methods to apply, and the geometric context of the equations has been introduced.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion caused by variable naming and the importance of understanding the geometric representations of the equations involved. There is also mention of the number of intersection points between the curves described by the equations.

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Homework Statement

x^2+y^2=5, 1/x^2+1/y^2=5/4




The Attempt at a Solution



I have rearranged the 1st equation: x^2=5-y^2
Then substitued this into the 2nd equation: 1/(5-y^2)+1/y^2=5/4
Found a common denominator: 5/(5x^2-x^4)=5/4
Multiply by the denominator: 5=(25x^2-5x^4)/4
Multiply by 4: 20=25x^2-5x^4

Now I have two methods for factorising which results in different answers: method 1: 4=5x^2-x^4
multiply by -1: x^4-5x^2=-4
x^2(x^2-5)=-4 which gives +or- 1 as the only solutions as -4^0.5 has no real solutions
However, method 2: 4=5x^2-x^4
4=x^2(5-x^2) which gives +or-2 AND +or-1 as the solutions.

Could anybody tell me where I have gone wrong and why the second method gives 4 solutions.
 
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The methods are fundementally flawed because your method of finding roots only works generally if the equation equals zero. If you treat [tex]x^2[/tex] as [tex]a[/tex], then you would have a quadratic equation, wherein you can find the roots easily. By the way, it may help to know the geometric representation of the two equations, one is two sets of hyperbolae and the other describes a circle, and the circle intersects the hyperbolae at eight different points. Oh and it helps not to change the variable name from y to x halfway, especially since x is already in the equations.
 
So what you're saying is that it's not possible to solve x^2(x^2-5)=-4 because there isn't a 0 on the right hand side? Instead we should substitute x^2 from the quartic equation and get a quadratic?
Thanks for the reply
 
Oh I have the solutions now! After getting a quartic in terms of y, I replaced y^2 with a which gave me a quadratic with 2 solutions, I then found the corresponding y values and then the x values. Thank you muchly for pointing out that my method was fundamentally flawed!
 

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