Solving sin2x=2sin^2x for 0\leq x\leq \pi: Find Extraneous Solution

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation sin2x=2sin^2x within the interval 0≤x≤π, with a focus on identifying extraneous solutions that arise during the solving process.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their approach to solving the equation, leading to potential solutions x=0, π/4, π/2, and π.
  • The participant notes that testing these solutions reveals that x=π/2 does not satisfy the original equation, prompting questions about the validity of their steps.
  • Another participant points out that the manipulation sinx = cosx tanx is not valid at x=π/2 due to the 0/0 indeterminate form.
  • A suggestion is made to use an alternative method involving expressing sinx - cosx in a different form to avoid extraneous solutions.
  • Further discussion includes reflections on the beauty of different solving techniques and the challenges of identifying extraneous solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods used to solve the equation and the nature of the extraneous solution, indicating that multiple approaches and interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the presence of an extraneous solution but do not fully resolve the steps leading to it, leaving some assumptions and mathematical steps unclear.

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I attempted to solve sin2x=2sin^2x for 0\leq x\leq \pi
as follows:

2sinxcosx=2sin^2x
2sinx(sinx-cosx)=0

Therefore,
2sinx=0 (1)
sinx-cosx=0 (2)

(2) -- cosxtanx-cosx=0
cosx(tanx-1)=0

Therefore,
cosx=0 (3)
tanx-1=0 (4)

Hence my solutions should be solving equations (1), (3) and (4).
i.e. sinx=0, x=0,\pi
cosx=0, x=\pi/2
tanx=1, x=\pi/4

Hence, my solution set is x=0,\pi/4,\pi/2,\pi

But testing the solutions (which I wouldn't have done so in test conditions) show that \pi/2 does not satisfy the original equation.
This means cosx\neq 0, but why?
I can't figure out where this extraneous solution came from, and which step I made was invalid to cause this. e.g. I never squared or multiplied the equation by anything etc.
 
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Hi Mentallic! :smile:

(have a pi: π :wink:)
Mentallic said:
sinx-cosx=0 (2)

(2) -- cosxtanx-cosx=0
cosx(tanx-1)=0

sinx = cosx tanx is not valid if x = π/2 :biggrin:

Instead, use sinx - cosx = a multiple of sin(x - something) :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Mentallic! :smile:
Hi tiny-tim! :smile:

tiny-tim said:
(have a pi: π :wink:)

At first I was like... what?
Haha now I get it. Thanks for your pi :biggrin: would you also like an e with that pi? :-p


tiny-tim said:
sinx = cosx tanx is not valid if x = π/2 :biggrin:
Oh yes, the infamous 0/0=something trick. Foiled once again :blushing:

tiny-tim said:
Instead, use sinx - cosx = a multiple of sin(x - something) :wink:
I never really appreciated the beauty of (I think that method is called the subsidiary technique something or other..), so I've always used alternative solutions, such as squaring the equation and finally removing the extraneous solutions. But, I think that would have been much easier so you have a point there :smile:

Thanks tiny-tim, your help is greatly appreciated.



and your addictive smileys and font alterations are a curse hehehe :devil:
 
Mentallic said:
and your addictive smileys and font alterations are a curse hehehe :devil:


:rolleyes: o:)
 

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