Solving System of Equations: Guidance for Australian Math Olympiad Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations derived from a problem in Australia's national math olympiad. Participants explore various methods for finding solutions, including algebraic manipulation and the use of software tools.

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  • One participant requests guidance on solving the system of equations without software, indicating it is not a homework problem.
  • Another participant shares solutions obtained using software, listing both real and complex solutions.
  • Some participants express skepticism about using software for a test and suggest expanding the equations to find quadratic forms.
  • One participant mentions obtaining a circle equation after manipulating the original equations but struggles with the next steps.
  • Another participant identifies the equation of a circle and suggests finding intersections with lines and curves to determine solutions.
  • There is a correction regarding the radius of the circle, with a participant noting it should be \(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\).
  • A participant derives a quartic equation after substituting variables but seeks further guidance on solving it.
  • One participant introduces new variables to simplify the system of equations, suggesting a path to solvability.
  • Another participant proposes that the equations are inverses of each other, which may imply additional solutions at intersections.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using software solutions, with some advocating for manual methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the equations, and multiple methods are discussed.

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Participants mention various mathematical manipulations, including expanding equations, completing the square, and deriving new forms. Some steps remain unresolved, and assumptions about the nature of solutions are not fully articulated.

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can anyone tell me how to solve the system of equations:

[tex](x-1)(y^2+6) = y(x^2+1)[/tex]

[tex](y-1)(x^2+6) = x(y^2+1)[/tex]

note: this is not a homework problem. as far as i know, this is a problem from australia's national math olympiad.
 
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I used the http://www.hostsrv.com/webmab/app1/MSP/quickmath/02/pageGenerate?site=quickmath&s1=equations&s2=solve&s3=advanced and put

Code:
(x-1)(y^2+6)=y(x^2+1)
(y-1)(x^2+6)=x(y^2+1)

into the field marked "EQUATION(S)" to get the solutions

[tex](x,y)=(2,2),\, (2,3),\, (3,2),\, (3,3),\, \left( \frac{1}{2}\left(1\pm i\sqrt{15}\right) , \frac{1}{2}\left(1\mp i\sqrt{15}\right)\right)[/tex].
 
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I do not think that resorting to a software solution would be acceptable on a test.

Expand both equations, then add them together. You will now have quadratic equations in x any y. Complete the squares and you will easily get the real solutions.
 
benorin, i also got those solutions using Maple. but what i want to know is how to solve them without using softwares.

Integral, i tried doing what you suggested. i expanded and subtracted one from the other and got an equation of a circle. but i don't know what to do next. can you give some more hints?
 
Try completing the square
 
by adding the 2 equations i got, [tex](x-y)(x+y+2xy+7) = 0[/tex]

by subtracting one from the other i got, [tex]\left(x-\frac{5}{2}\right)^2 + \left(y-\frac{5}{2}\right)^2 = \frac{1}{2}[/tex]

but i can't figure out what to do next.
 
That's the eqn of a circle in the Oxy plane with radius 1/2 and located with the center at (5/2,5/2). You'll have to intersect this circle with the 2 line y=x and with the curve x+y+2xy+7=0 to get the possible solutions.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
That's the eqn of a circle in the Oxy plane with radius 1/2 and located with the center at (5/2,5/2).
the radius is actually [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}[/tex]

dextercioby said:
You'll have to intersect this circle with the 2 line y=x and with the curve x+y+2xy+7=0 to get the possible solutions.
but how do i do that? if i take the intersection between the circle and the line y = x, i get the solutions (3,3) and (2,2). but how do i get the intersection of the circle and the curve x+y+2xy+7=0?
 
well, i tried the following:
from x+y+2xy+7=0, we get [tex]y = \frac{-7-x}{1+2x}[/tex]

substituting this into the equation of the circle and simplifying, i got the quartic equation:

[tex]x^4 - 4x^3 + 10x^2 + 33x + 24 = 0[/tex]

now how do i solve this?
 
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First of all, you got the first equation wrong, it should read:
(x-y)(x+y-2xy+7)=0

Secondly, eliminating the (x-y) factor, ADD the two equations you now have, yielding:
[tex]x^{2}-5x+y^{2}-5y+\frac{25}{2}+(x+y-2xy+7)=\frac{1}{2}[/tex]
that is:
[tex](x-y)^{2}-4(x+y)+19=0[/tex]

Similarly, subtract the first one from your second one to get:
[tex](x+y)^{2}-6(x+y)+5=0[/tex]

Now, introduce the new variables u=x+y, v=x-y to rewrite your system of equations as:
[tex]u^{2}-6u+5=0[/tex]
[tex]v^{2}-4u+19=0[/tex]
This system is readily solvable. :smile:
 
  • #11
Is it helpful to notice here that these equations are inverses of each other? Then would mean that the intersect on the like y=x correct? And a few other places of course...but thought it might help since if you have one solution, you immediately have another :)
 

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