Solving System x'' + αx = 0: An Eigenform Approach

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The discussion revolves around solving the system of differential equations given by x'' + αx = 0, where x is a two-dimensional vector. The original poster and participants are exploring the implications of treating α as a constant and how to express the solution in eigenform, particularly in the context of a multi-degree-of-freedom (mdof) system.

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  • Participants discuss various forms of the solution, questioning the appropriateness of treating x as a single function versus a vector. There is an exploration of the implications of α being a single real number and how that affects the formulation of the problem. The original poster seeks clarification on how to express the system in eigenform.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different interpretations of the problem setup and the nature of the solutions. Some participants have suggested alternative formulations and expressed confusion regarding the eigenform approach, while others are attempting to clarify the definitions and assumptions involved.

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There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the boundary conditions and the specific form of the equations being solved. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made about the relationship between the variables in the system.

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Homework Statement



Solve the system x'' + αx = 0

x = [ x1 x2 ]
α constant

Homework Equations



x'' + αx = 0 Where x is a vector [x1 x2]

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution of x'' + αx = 0 is x = Acosh(√α x) + Bsinh(√α x)

Differentiating x

x' = √α*Acosh(√α x) + √α*Bsinh(√α x)
x'' = α*Acosh(√α x) + α*Bsinh(√α x)

Plugging this back into the original ODE

α*Acosh(√α x) + α*Bsinh(√α x) - α(Acosh(√α x) + Bsinh(√α x)) = 0 is satisfied

I can't get this in Eigenform to solve for the system. What do I do in this case?
 
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c0der said:

Homework Statement



Solve the system x'' + αx = 0

x = [ x1 x2 ]
α constant

Homework Equations



x'' + αx = 0 Where x is a vector [x1 x2]

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution of x'' + αx = 0 is x = Acosh(√α x) + Bsinh(√α x)
That makes no since at all. x is a two dimensional vector but you have it as both a single function and the independent variable!
IF we were given a single real function, x, satisfying x''+ αx= 0 THEN the solution would be either x= Asinh(√αt)+ Bcosh(√αt), x= Asin(√αt)+ Bcos(√αt), or x= At+ B, depending upon whether α was positive, negative, or 0 and t is the (unnamed in the equation) independent variable.

Are you given that α single real number? If so then the general solution would be
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x_1(t) \\ x_2(t)\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}Asinh(√αt)+ Bcosh(√αt) \\ Csinh(√αt)+ Dcosh(√αt)\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
if α> 0,
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x_1(t) \\ x_2(t)\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}Asin(√αt)+ Bcos(√αt) \\ Csin(√αt)+ D cos(√αt)\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
lf α< 0,
and
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x_1(t) \\ x_2(t)\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}At+ B \\ Ct+ D\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
if α= 0.

Differentiating x

x' = √α*Acosh(√α x) + √α*Bsinh(√α x)
x'' = α*Acosh(√α x) + α*Bsinh(√α x)

Plugging this back into the original ODE

α*Acosh(√α x) + α*Bsinh(√α x) - α(Acosh(√α x) + Bsinh(√α x)) = 0 is satisfied

I can't get this in Eigenform to solve for the system. What do I do in this case?
I'm not sure what you mean by "eigenform" but if α is a single number then the differential equation can be written in matrix form as
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x_1(t) \\ x_2(t)\end{bmatrix}'= \begin{bmatrix}α & 0 \\ 0 & α\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x_1(t)\\ x_2(t)\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
which has α as the only eigenvalue.
 
Sorry wasn't clear enough

Apologies, I should have been clear. This is the system:

d^2/dx^2(y1) = α(y1 - y2)
d^2/dx^2(y2) = α(y2 - y1)

Hence, why your set of solutions won't work. This is why I tried to put it into eigenform, like the harmonic oscillator problem, which is easily done to get the frequencies for an mdof system. This method doesn't work for this type of problem
 
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c0der said:
Apologies, I should have been clear. This is the system:

d^2/dx^2(y1) = α(y1 - y2)
d^2/dx^2(y2) = α(y2 - y1)

This is why I tried to put it into eigenform, like the harmonic oscillator problem, which is easily done to get the frequencies for an mdof system. This method doesn't work for this type of problem.

It is obvious from inspection that if [itex]u = y_1 + y_2[/itex] and [itex]v = y_1 - y_2[/itex] then
[tex] \frac{d^2 u}{dx^2} = 0 \\<br /> \frac{d^2 v}{dx^2} = 2av[/tex]
 
Yes but how do you solve it formally? I use the eigenvalue method to get:

y1 = 0
y2 = Acosh(sqrt(2a)x) + Bsinh(sqrt(2a)x) but differentiating this twice and subbing this into the second equation and solving for y1 doesn't satisfy the boundary conditions
 
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