Solving Tension on Slope w/ 2 Packages

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The problem involves two packages sliding down a ramp inclined at 30 degrees, connected by a rope. The packages have different masses and coefficients of kinetic friction, and the task is to find the tension in the rope and the velocities of the packages when one reaches the bottom of the ramp.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on each package and attempt to set up equations of motion. There is uncertainty regarding the implications of tension being zero and the relationship between the accelerations of the two packages.

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Some participants are exploring the implications of the equations derived from the forces acting on the packages. There is a focus on whether tension can be positive and how the coefficients of friction affect the system. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the tension in the rope and the conditions under which the packages can slide without passing each other. There is mention of unclear information from a teacher's feedback regarding the velocities of the packages.

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The question: Two packages have just started sliding down a ramp that forms an angle of 30 degrees with the horizontal. They are connected with a rope. Package A is 6m up along the ramp, with a mass of 4 kg and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.3. Package B is directly above 4 m further up the ramp, with mass of 8kg and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.2. The packages are placed such that if B began moving and A did not, B would have to go through A to move down, i.e they cannot pass each other on the side.

1) Find the tension in the rope just after they start sliding.
2) Find the velocity of both packages when package A arrives at the bottom of the ramp.

I am not sure how to approach this problem. My teacher wrote on my test that T=0 because the rope is slack. He then wrote that the final velocity of package A was 5.5m/s (although I cannot read his handwriting) and that the final velocity of package B was 7.7m/s.

Please help! My approach was to sum the forces in the direction of the ramp for each box like so:

BOX A: ƩFx = mbox-aa = mgsin(30) - T - μkmgcos(30)
BOX B: ƩFx = mbox-ba = mgsin(30) + T - μkmgcos(30)

But I could not derive T becoming 0. Thank you all.
 
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If T > 0 then the two accelerations are the same.
a = gsin(30) - T/ma - μkagcos(30)
a = gsin(30) + T/mb - μkbgcos(30)
What do you get if you combine those equations, eliminating a, and use the fact that μka > μkb?
 
haruspex said:
If T > 0 then the two accelerations are the same.
a = gsin(30) - T/ma - μkagcos(30)
a = gsin(30) + T/mb - μkbgcos(30)
What do you get if you combine those equations, eliminating a, and use the fact that μka > μkb?

I'm not quite sure what I am supposed to get. I get T/ma + T/mb= -gcos(30)
[I substituted μka with 2 and μkb with 1 for simplicity]
 
cjavier said:
I'm not quite sure what I am supposed to get. I get T/ma + T/mb= -gcos(30)
[I substituted μka with 2 and μkb with 1 for simplicity]
So can T be positive?
 

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