Find tension force on 2 boxes on a ramp

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The problem involves two boxes being lowered down a ramp by pulling on a rope parallel to the ramp's surface. The boxes are moving at a constant speed, and the discussion centers around calculating the necessary pulling force and the friction force acting on the upper box, given specific coefficients of friction and the angle of the ramp.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the boxes, including the pulling force, gravitational components, and friction forces. There is a focus on the direction of these forces and the reasoning behind the signs used in the equations. Some participants express confusion over the negative sign associated with the gravitational force component.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the setup and the forces involved, while others have sought clarification on the angle calculation and the direction of forces. There is an acknowledgment of the need for more detailed descriptions of the problem setup, particularly regarding the missing figure.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of the figure referenced in the problem statement, which is crucial for visualizing the scenario. There is also mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the interpretation of "lowering" the boxes and the implications for the direction of the pulling force.

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Homework Statement


You are lowering two boxes, one on top of the other, down the ramp shown in the figure (Figure 1) by pulling on a rope parallel to the surface of the ramp. Both boxes move together at a constant speed of 19.0 cm/s . The coefficient of kinetic friction between the ramp and the lower box is 0.457, and the coefficient of static friction between the two boxes is 0.818.

2. Questions

A What force do you need to exert to accomplish this?
B What is the magnitude of the friction force on the upper box?

3. Relevant equations

X forces: Fpull - Ffr - Fg*sin(theta) = 0
Y forces: Fn - Fg*cos(theta) = 0
Ffr = mu_k * Fn

The Attempt at a Solution

(A)[/B]
I found theta to be 27.76
Ffr = mu_k * [Fg*cos(theta)]
Ffr = 317.0513 N
Fpull = Ffr + Fg*sin(theta) = 6782.214 N

The solutions I've seen on this forum say to use -Fgsin(theta) but i don't see why it would be negative. I've checked my work so many times
 
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please brahs, it's been a solid 2 hours I've been on this problem
 
in what direction is:
the force of the pull on the boxes?
the force of the gravity component acting parallel to the plane?
the direction of motion of the boxes?
the direction of the friction force?Show how you are arriving at these numbers step by step.
 
Johnson1704 said:

Homework Statement


You are lowering two boxes, one on top of the other, down the ramp shown in the figure (Figure 1) by pulling on a rope parallel to the surface of the ramp. Both boxes move together at a constant speed of 19.0 cm/s . The coefficient of kinetic friction between the ramp and the lower box is 0.457, and the coefficient of static friction between the two boxes is 0.818.

2. Questions

A What force do you need to exert to accomplish this?
B What is the magnitude of the friction force on the upper box?

3. Relevant equations

X forces: Fpull - Ffr - Fg*sin(theta) = 0
Y forces: Fn - Fg*cos(theta) = 0
Ffr = mu_k * Fn

The Attempt at a Solution

(A)[/B]
I found theta to be 27.76
Ffr = mu_k * [Fg*cos(theta)]
Ffr = 317.0513 N
Fpull = Ffr + Fg*sin(theta) = 6782.214 N

The solutions I've seen on this forum say to use -Fgsin(theta) but i don't see why it would be negative. I've checked my work so many times
You did not attach the figure, so you need to describe the set up in more detail. "Lowering" suggests you are pulling up the ramp, parallel to it perhaps, to prevent the boxes accelerating down. Or maybe the rope is vertical?
You say you found the slope to be 27.76 degrees - based on what?
 
haruspex said:
You did not attach the figure, so you need to describe the set up in more detail. "Lowering" suggests you are pulling up the ramp, parallel to it perhaps, to prevent the boxes accelerating down. Or maybe the rope is vertical?
You say you found the slope to be 27.76 degrees - based on what?
I figured it out about 30 mins after I posted and deleted the attachment and was going to delete the post but couldn't figure it out. Thanks though!
 

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