Solving the D3x D3p Invariant Puzzle

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the product of differential volume elements in position and momentum space, specifically d³x d³p, is Lorentz invariant. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly in relating momentum transformations under Lorentz boosts.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of position and momentum under Lorentz boosts, questioning how to express momentum in terms of position differentials. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between d³x and d³p in different reference frames.

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Some participants have provided guidance on focusing the discussion on the invariance of d³x d³p rather than d³(xp). There is an ongoing exploration of whether the proof can be simplified to one dimension, with acknowledgment of the need for proper Lorentz transformations in three dimensions.

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Participants note that the momentum is assumed to be in the x direction, with zero components in the y and z directions, which may affect the approach to the problem. There is also mention of standard transformations typically applied for velocities in the x direction.

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Hello, I have probably quit easy task, but I don't know how show that d3x d3p is a Lorentz invariant.

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I mean I have to show that d3x d3p = d3x' d3p', where ' marks other system. I can prove ds2=ds'2, but I am not sure what with p?
Assume boost in x-way:
x'=g(x-vt) => dx'=g(dx-vdt) , where g=1/(1-(v/c)2)...is it right?
what about p?
 
Vrbic said:
x'=g(x-vt) => dx'=g(dx-vdt) , where g=1/(1-(v/c)2)...is it right?
what about p?
yes that's right. What does p=? You've got dx right, can you write dp in terms of dx? (or rather right p in terms of dx)? If you can, then you should be able to handle the situation.

Remember, you're not trying to show that ##d^3(xp)## is invariant, you're trying to show that ##d^3x*d^3p## is invariant, which is sufficiently easier than the former.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
yes that's right. What does p=? You've got dx right, can you write dp in terms of dx? (or rather right p in terms of dx)? If you can, then you should be able to handle the situation.

Remember, you're not trying to show that ##d^3(xp)## is invariant, you're trying to show that ##d^3x*d^3p## is invariant, which is sufficiently easier than the former.
p is momentum, well p=mv. [itex]v=\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex]. [itex]t'=g(t-\frac{V}{c^2}x)[/itex]->[itex]dt'=g(dt-\frac{V}{c^2}dx)[/itex], where V is movement between o and o' and is constant. So can I say [itex]v'=\frac{dx'}{dt'}=\frac{g(dx-Vdt)}{g(dt-\frac{V}{c^2}dx)}[/itex]?
 
No reason to carry the t through. You're trying to show that ##\frac{d^3x}{dt^3}\frac{d^3p}{dt^3} = \frac{d^3x'}{dt'^3}\frac{d^3p'}{dt'^3} \rightarrow d^3xd^3p=d^3x'd^3p'##
But yes, that's the right idea.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
No reason to carry the t through. You're trying to show that ##\frac{d^3x}{dt^3}\frac{d^3p}{dt^3} = \frac{d^3x'}{dt'^3}\frac{d^3p'}{dt'^3} \rightarrow d^3xd^3p=d^3x'd^3p'##
But yes, that's the right idea.
Can I prove it just for one dimension and suppose the others will be same? It means prove dx'dp'=dxdp
 
Vrbic said:
Can I prove it just for one dimension and suppose the others will be same? It means prove dx'dp'=dxdp
You mean for momentum?
I would assume that the momentum was p in the x direction and 0 in y and z. Otherwise you need to do the lorentz transformations for a 3d velocity. The standard transforms you see online (i think) tend to be for a velocity in the x direction.
 

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