Prove that these terms are Lorentz invariant

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the Lorentz invariance of two terms, \(\mathfrak{T}_L(x)\) and \(\mathfrak{T}_R(x)\), which involve fields \(\psi_L\) and \(\psi_R\) and their derivatives. Participants are exploring the implications of Lorentz transformations on these terms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to clarify the meaning of Lorentz invariance and distinguishes between transformations \(\Lambda_L\) and \(\Lambda_R\). They express uncertainty regarding their calculations and whether their approach is correct. Other participants question the treatment of derivatives in the context of primed coordinates and suggest corrections to the original poster's expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct treatment of derivatives, leading to a revised expression that aligns with the expected form. The conversation indicates that the mathematical form of \(\mathfrak{T}_L(x)\) remains consistent across different Lorentz frames, although explicit consensus on the implications of this invariance is not reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of Lorentz transformations and their effects on field equations, with some expressing confusion about the definitions and implications of invariance in this context.

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Homework Statement


Prove that

$$\begin{align*}\mathfrak{T}_L(x) &= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger (x)\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu \psi_L^\dagger (x) \sigma^\mu\psi_L(x) \\
\mathfrak{T}_R(x) &= \frac{1}{2}\psi_R^\dagger (x)\bar{\sigma}^\mu i\partial_\mu\psi_R(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu \psi_R^\dagger (x) \bar{\sigma}^\mu\psi_R(x) \end{align*}$$
are Lorentz invariant.

The Attempt at a Solution


My biggest Problem is that I'm a bit unsure of what it means to be Lorentz invariant in this context. I think the first step is to distinguish between ##\Lambda_L## and ##\Lambda_R##. I don't know the name of these specific transformations, but their main point is:
$$\psi'_L(x')=\Lambda_L\psi_L(x)\hspace{1cm}\text{and}\hspace{1cm}\psi'_R(x')=\Lambda_R\psi_R(x)$$
I think we call ##\mathfrak{T}_L## Lorentz-invariant if ##\mathfrak{T}'_L(x')=\mathfrak{T}_L(x)##. Therefore my approach was
$$\begin{align*}\mathfrak{T}_L'(x') &= \frac{1}{2}(\psi_L^\dagger)' (x')\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu\psi_L'(x') - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu (\psi_L^\dagger) '(x') \sigma^\mu\psi_L'(x')\\
&= \frac{1}{2}(\psi_L' (x'))^\dagger\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu\psi_L'(x') - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu (\psi_L^\dagger) '(x') \sigma^\mu\psi_L'(x') \\
&= \frac{1}{2}(\Lambda_L\psi_L(x))^\dagger\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu\Lambda_L\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu (\Lambda_L\psi_L(x))^\dagger \sigma^\mu\Lambda_L\psi_L(x) \\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L(x)^\dagger\Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu\Lambda_L\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu \psi_L(x)^\dagger \Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu\Lambda_L\psi_L(x) \\
&\overset{(*)}{=} \frac{1}{2}\psi_L(x)^\dagger\underbrace{\Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu \Lambda_L}_{= \Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\sigma^\nu}i\partial_\mu\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu \psi_L(x)^\dagger \underbrace{\Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu\Lambda_L}_{= \Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\sigma^\nu}\psi_L(x)\\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L(x)^\dagger \Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\sigma^\nu i\partial_\mu\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu \psi_L(x)^\dagger \Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\sigma^\nu\psi_L(x) \\
&=\Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\left(\frac{1}{2}\psi_L(x)^\dagger \sigma^\nu i\partial_\mu\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu \psi_L(x)^\dagger \sigma^\nu\psi_L(x) \right),\end{align*}$$
but this seems to lead to nowhere... So was my approach wrong, or did I mess up somewhere in the calculation?
 
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I'm not real familiar with this. But, you wrote
Markus Kahn said:
$$\mathfrak{T}_L'(x') = \frac{1}{2}(\psi_L^\dagger)' (x')\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu\psi_L'(x') - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu (\psi_L^\dagger) '(x') \sigma^\mu\psi_L'(x')$$
Shouldn't the derivatives be with respect to the primed coordinates? So you would have ##\partial '_\mu## instead of ##\partial_\mu##. Then later you will have ##\Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\sigma^\nu i\partial'_\mu## in your expressions. Is there anything you can do with ##\Lambda^\mu_{\;\nu}\partial'_\mu##?
 
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TSny said:
Shouldn't the derivatives be with respect to the primed coordinates?
Thank you! I completely missed that. With that I get
$$\begin{align*}
\mathfrak{T}_L'(x') &= \frac{1}{2}(\psi_L^\dagger)' (x')\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu'\psi_L'(x') - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu' (\psi_L^\dagger) '(x') \sigma^\mu\psi_L'(x')\\
&= \frac{1}{2}(\psi_L' (x'))^\dagger\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu'\psi_L'(x') - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu' (\psi_L^\dagger) '(x') \sigma^\mu\psi_L'(x') \\
&= \frac{1}{2}(\Lambda_L\psi_L(x))^\dagger\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu'\Lambda_L\psi_L(x) - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu' (\Lambda_L\psi_L(x))^\dagger \sigma^\mu\Lambda_L\psi_L(x) \\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger\Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu i\partial_\mu'\Lambda_L\psi_L - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu' \psi_L^\dagger \Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu\Lambda_L\psi_L \\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger\underbrace{\Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu \Lambda_L}_{= {\Lambda^\mu}_\nu\sigma^\nu}i\partial_\mu'\psi_L - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu' \psi_L^\dagger \underbrace{\Lambda_L^\dagger\sigma^\mu\Lambda_L}_{= {\Lambda^\mu}_\nu\sigma^\nu}\psi_L\\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger \Lambda^\mu{}_{\nu}\sigma^\nu i\partial_\mu'\psi_L - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\mu' \psi_L^\dagger \Lambda^\mu{}_\nu\sigma^\nu\psi_L\\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger \Lambda^\mu{}_{\nu}\sigma^\nu i\Lambda_\mu{}^\rho\partial_\rho\psi_L - \frac{1}{2}i \Lambda_\mu{}^\rho\partial_\rho\psi_L^\dagger \Lambda^\mu{}_\nu\sigma^\nu\psi_L\\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger \delta^\rho{}_\nu\sigma^\nu i\partial_\rho\psi_L- \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\rho \psi_L^\dagger \delta^\rho{}_\nu \sigma^\nu\psi_L\\
&= \frac{1}{2}\psi_L^\dagger \sigma^\rho i\partial_\rho\psi_L - \frac{1}{2}i\partial_\rho \psi_L^\dagger \sigma^\rho\psi_L\\
&= \mathfrak{T}_L(x)
\end{align*}$$
So I get what I was expecting! I'm still not sure why this exactly implies Lorentz invariance (would still be glad if someone could explain that), but at least the math add's up!
 
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Looks good to me. I believe that "Lorentz invariance" of ##\mathfrak{T}_L(x)## simply means ##\mathfrak{T}_L(x)## has exactly the same mathematical form in all Lorentz frames. This is what you have done.
 
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