Solving the Differential Equation for Unique Solution in Region

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The problem involves determining a region of the xy-plane for which a given differential equation, specifically \(\frac{dy}{dx}=y^{\frac{2}{3}}\), has a unique solution that passes through a specified point \((x_0,y_0)\). Participants are exploring the implications of the solutions and the conditions under which uniqueness is guaranteed.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the solutions, including the specific solution \(y=(\frac{x}{3})^3\) and its validity at the point \((0,0)\). There is questioning about why \(y=0\) is not considered a valid unique solution and the implications of the existence and uniqueness theorem for differential equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the uniqueness of solutions in relation to the x-axis. Some participants have provided insights into the continuity and differentiability conditions required for uniqueness, while others are examining specific cases and potential solutions.

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There is a focus on the behavior of the differential equation near the point \((0,0)\) and the implications of the Lipschitz condition. Participants are also considering the constraints imposed by the problem, particularly regarding the regions of the xy-plane that exclude the x-axis.

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The given problem for multiple differential equations (not in a system) is: "Determine a region of the xy-plane for which the given differential equation would have a unique solution whose graph passes through a point (x0,y0) in the region."

I'm not entirely sure what to do with this. Looking at the function:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=y^{\frac{2}{3}}[/tex]

I found the unknown function to be:
[tex]y=(\frac{x}{3})^3[/tex]
And I have verified that it is a solution.

Now the books says the answer is: "half-planes defined by either y>0 or y<0"
I'm not sure how this solution works. Could someone please explain it to me?

I also don't understand why y=0 isn't valid. I can see y=0 satisfying this equation:

0=0
 
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Yes, y=0 is a solution that passes through (0,0). y=(x/3)^3 is also a solution that passes through (0,0). So there is no unique solution if the initial point (x0,y0)=(0,0). What about (x0,y0) being a point besides (0,0)? I thinks that's what they are asking.
 
the DE is separable
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=y^{\frac{2}{3}}[/tex]

integrating both sides gives
[tex]\int dyy^{-\frac{2}{3}}=\int dx[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{3}y^{\frac{1}{3}}=x+c[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{3}y^{\frac{1}{3}}=(\frac{x+c}{3})^3[/tex]

this is a family of solutions given by c

now consider whether the following is a solution:
[itex]for \ \ \ \ x \leq 0, \ \ \ \ \ \ y(x) = (\frac{x}{3})^3[/itex]
[itex]for \ \ 0< x \leq 1, \ \ y(x) = 0[/itex]
[itex]for \ \ \ \ 1< x, \ \ \ \ \ \ y(x) = (\frac{x-1}{3})^3[/itex]
 
lanedance said:
the DE is separable
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=y^{\frac{2}{3}}[/tex]

integrating both sides gives
[tex]\int dyy^{-\frac{2}{3}}=\int dx[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{3}y^{\frac{1}{3}}=x+c[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{3}y^{\frac{1}{3}}=(\frac{x+c}{3})^3[/tex]

this is a family of solutions given by c

now consider whether the following is a solution:
[itex]for \ \ \ \ x \leq 0, \ \ \ \ \ \ y(x) = (\frac{x}{3})^3[/itex]
[itex]for \ \ 0< x \leq 1, \ \ y(x) = 0[/itex]
[itex]for \ \ \ \ 1< x, \ \ \ \ \ \ y(x) = (\frac{x-1}{3})^3[/itex]

So you are only using solutions which do not make the equation equal to zero? Is the term homogenous applicable to that case?
 
On the contrary, Lancelot59's solution explicitely includes y= 0. That's why he can construct an infinite number of solutions such that y(0)= 0.

The "fundamental existence and uniqueness theorem for first order differential equations" says that the problem dy/dx= f(x,y), y(x0)= y0 has a unique solution if there is some neighborhood about (x0,y0) such that f(x,y) is continuous and f(x,y) is "Lipschitz" in y ("differentiable with respect to y is a simpler, sufficient but not necessary condition) in that neighborhood.

Here, [itex]f(x,y)= y^{2/3}[/itex] is continuous in any neighborhood of (0,0) but [itex]f_y= (2/3)y^{-1/3}[/itex] does not exist at (0, 0) so the function is not Lipschtz there.

We can guarantee a unique solution on any neighborhood that does NOT include the x-axis but not in any neighborhood that does.
 
HallsofIvy said:
On the contrary, Lancelot59's solution explicitely includes y= 0. That's why he can construct an infinite number of solutions such that y(0)= 0.

The "fundamental existence and uniqueness theorem for first order differential equations" says that the problem dy/dx= f(x,y), y(x0)= y0 has a unique solution if there is some neighborhood about (x0,y0) such that f(x,y) is continuous and f(x,y) is "Lipschitz" in y ("differentiable with respect to y is a simpler, sufficient but not necessary condition) in that neighborhood.

Here, [itex]f(x,y)= y^{2/3}[/itex] is continuous in any neighborhood of (0,0) but [itex]f_y= (2/3)y^{-1/3}[/itex] does not exist at (0, 0) so the function is not Lipschtz there.

We can guarantee a unique solution on any neighborhood that does NOT include the x-axis but not in any neighborhood that does.

I see, so the trick is to differentiate the original differential equation with respect to the "dependent" (Y in this case) variable, and see where solutions for it are valid?
 

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