Solving the Entropy Puzzle: Blundell and Blundell Q&A

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to entropy changes in a van der Waals gas, specifically comparing two processes: isothermal expansion and free expansion into a vacuum. Participants are exploring the implications of entropy as a state variable and the effects of temperature changes on these processes.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how entropy behaves in different expansion scenarios and questions the relationship between entropy and temperature changes. Some participants discuss the implications of free expansion on internal energy and work done, while others raise concerns about the assumptions made regarding entropy being the same in both processes.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made about the entropy changes. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to revise the change of entropy due to temperature variations, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the implications of an insulated enclosure and the specific characteristics of van der Waals gases. There is an acknowledgment of potential mistakes in the original calculations, but no definitive resolution has been reached.

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Hello,

This is a question I've been working on out of blundell and blundell,

http://imageshack.us/a/img560/3342/entwopy.jpg

The red box is my answers to the question which I am pretty sure are ok.

I am having trouble with the very last part of the question.

By the logic of the first part, the entropy would be the same with the VDW gas in both cases right (cases a and b)? Since entropy is a state variable.

But how can you find the change in temperature?

Thank you
 
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You know that ΔU=Q+W. If it is free expansion into vacuum, what is the heat exchanged and the work done by the gas during the process?

ehild
 


Ah right,

The work done by the gas will be zero and there will be no heat exchanged (assuming the enclosure is insulated).

So

ΔU=0=(3/2)nRΔT-n2a/αV + n2a/V


(3/2)RΔT=na/αV -n2a/V =na(1/α-1)/V

(3/2)RΔT=-na(-1/α+1)/V = -na(-1/α+1)/V=-na(α-1)/αV

So ΔT<0 i.e. decreases by an amount proportional to (α-1)/α

Thanks!
 


Revise the change of entropy, too, as not only the volume but also the temperature changes.

ehild
 


Oh, did you suggest that because there is a mistake in the working I posted in the picture and the second post, or do you mean in general?
 


You said the change of entropy would be the same for the van der Waals gas in both processes a and b (isotherm expansion and expansion into vacuum) as the gas arrives to the same state. It is not true for the VDW gas as it cools down in process b.

ehild
 


Oh sorry,

Thanks again for all your help!
 

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