Solving the Indefinite Integration Problem

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The discussion revolves around an indefinite integration problem involving the expression \(\int_0^{1} (\prod_{r=1}^{n} (x+r))(\sum_{k=1}^{n} \frac{1}{x+k}) dx\). Participants explore various approaches to simplify or solve the integral, particularly by considering specific values for \(n\) and examining the structure of the expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential simplification of the integral by substituting values for \(n\) and expanding the expression. There are inquiries about the derivatives of products and how they relate to the integration problem. Some participants express confusion about the relevance of these derivatives to the original question.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and attempting to build on each other's ideas. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of logarithms to transform the expression, which has sparked further exploration. However, there is no explicit consensus on a solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral without simplifying too much, as indicated by requests to avoid simplification. There is also a side discussion regarding the use of LaTeX for formatting mathematical expressions, which reflects the collaborative nature of the forum.

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Homework Statement


The value of [tex]\int_0^{1} (\prod_{r=1}^{n} (x+r))(\sum_{k=1}^{n} \frac{1}{x+k}) dx[/tex] equals:
a)n
b)n!
c)(n+1)!
d)n.n!

(Can someone tell me how to make bigger parentheses using latex?)

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the question becomes a lot easier if i put n=1 or 2 and then integrate. But i was wondering if there is any proper way to solve it. I can't go further after expanding the given expression.
[tex]\int_{0}^{1} (x+1)(x+2)...(x+n)(\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{1}{x+2}+...\frac{1}{x+n})dx[/tex]
which is equal to
[tex]\int_{0}^{1} \sum_{r=1}^n \frac{(x+n)!}{x+r}[/tex]
I am stuck now, i can't find any way further.

Any help is appreciated. :smile:
 
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I still don't have any clue.
 
What is the derivative of a product? What is the derivative of (x+1)(x+2)? and (x+1)[(x+2)(x+3)] ?

ehild
 
ehild said:
What is the derivative of a product? What is the derivative of (x+1)(x+2)? and (x+1)[(x+2)(x+3)] ?

ehild

Derivative of (x+1)(x+2)=2x+3
Derivative of (x+1)(x+2)(x+3)=3x2+12x+11

I still don't get any idea how this would help?
 
Do not simplify.

d/dx[(x+1)(x+2)]=(x+2)+(x+1)=(x+1)(x+2)/(x+1)+(x+1)(x+2)/(x+2)=[(x+1)(x+2)][1/(x+1)+1/(x+2)]

d/dx[(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)]=(x+2)(x+3)+(x+1)(x+3)+(x+1)(x+2)=[(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)][1/(x+1)+1/(x+2)+1(x+3)]

Do you see?

ehild
 
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Wait, i guess i have got it, i will be back in a few hours with a solution.
Thanks for the help! :smile:

EDIT: Oops, seems like you posted just a few seconds before me.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Wait, i guess i have got it, i will be back in a few hours with a solution.
Thanks for the help! :smile:

EDIT: Oops, seems like you posted just a few seconds before me.

Well, I looking forward to the solution:smile:

ehild
 
So here's the solution:
Let
[tex]t=(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)...(x+n)[/tex]
[tex]\ln t=\ln(x+1)+\ln(x+2)+\ln(x+3)...+\ln(x+n)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{t}\frac{dt}{dx}=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{1}{x+2}+\frac{1}{x+3}...\frac{1}{x+n}[/tex]
[tex]dt=(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)...(x+n)(\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{1}{x+2}+\frac{1}{x+3}...+\frac{1}{x+n})dx[/tex]
Therefore the original question becomes ∫dt, upper limit is (n+1).n! and lower limit is n!.
Solving, i get the answer as d) option.

Thanks for the help! :smile:
 
By the way, since it seems like your little sub-question about the larger brackets was missed, I'll chime in on that.

I myself use /left( and /right) which looks like: [tex]\left(\frac{1}{1}\right)[/tex] but there are other more specific "fonts" you can use, which ranges from smallest to largest:

/big( [tex]\big(\frac{1}{1}\big)[/tex]
/Big( [tex]\Big(\frac{1}{1}\Big)[/tex]
/bigg( [tex]\bigg(\frac{1}{1}\bigg)[/tex]
/Bigg( [tex]\Bigg(\frac{1}{1}\Bigg)[/tex]

And there could be others, but that should about cover it.
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
So here's the solution:
Let
[tex]t=(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)...(x+n)[/tex]
[tex]\ln t=\ln(x+1)+\ln(x+2)+\ln(x+3)...+\ln(x+n)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{t}\frac{dt}{dx}=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{1}{x+2}+\frac{1}{x+3}...\frac{1}{x+n}[/tex]
[tex]dt=(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)...(x+n)(\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{1}{x+2}+\frac{1}{x+3}...+\frac{1}{x+n})dx[/tex]

That is ingenious! You are really cool:cool:

Pranav-Arora said:
Therefore the original question becomes ∫dt, upper limit is (n+1).n! and lower limit is n!.
Solving, i get the answer as d) option.

Thanks for the help! :smile:

Very good. You are better and better every day!

ehild
 
  • #11
Mentallic said:
By the way, since it seems like your little sub-question about the larger brackets was missed, I'll chime in on that.

I myself use /left( and /right) which looks like: [tex]\left(\frac{1}{1}\right)[/tex] but there are other more specific "fonts" you can use, which ranges from smallest to largest:

/big( [tex]\big(\frac{1}{1}\big)[/tex]
/Big( [tex]\Big(\frac{1}{1}\Big)[/tex]
/bigg( [tex]\bigg(\frac{1}{1}\bigg)[/tex]
/Bigg( [tex]\Bigg(\frac{1}{1}\Bigg)[/tex]

And there could be others, but that should about cover it.
Thanks Mentallic, really helpful. :smile:
ehild said:
That is ingenious! You are really cool:cool:
I did nothing, you almost solved it by giving me a simple hint. Thanks! :smile:
 
  • #12
That method of using logarithm was entirely your idea :cool:. I did not think of it.

ehild
 

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