Solving the Level Curves of T(x,y)

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The discussion revolves around finding and sketching the level curves of the scalar field T(x,y) = (x + y)/(x² + y²) for specific values of T. Participants are exploring the nature of these curves and the implications of their mathematical properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss equating the scalar field to the given values of T and express uncertainty about the resulting equations. Some suggest completing the square to analyze the curves, while others propose using polar coordinates to explore the relationships further.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the nature of the level curves, with some participants questioning the assumption that they are circles. Various methods are being discussed, including completing the square and converting to polar coordinates, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation of the curves.

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Some participants note the potential for imaginary numbers in their calculations and express concern about the implications of this for the level curves. There is also a mention of the possibility that the curves may not be centered at the origin, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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Ok, I've been trying to work this out for a couple of hours now and I'm completely stumped. Not even Google was helping much.

The question is:
Find and Sketch the level curves of the scalar field T(x,y) = (x +y)/(x2 + y2) for T = -1, -0.5, 0, 0.5, 1[/size]

I know that I should equate the equation to the values of T given and I suspect that I'll be getting 4 circles but it doesn't seem to work.

Here's what I've done:

(x +y)/(x2 + y2) = -1
x + y = -(x2 + y2)

Where do I go from here?!
 
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0 is easy. 1 and .5 should be easy too. The negative values are a bit tricky. A brute force way would be to put the x's on one side and y's on the other and then set the [tex]x+x^2[/tex] to an arbitary value and then try to solve the quadratic equation for [tex]-y-y^2 = value[/tex]. The only trick is that your teacher probably doesn't want you to wander into imaginary (i) numbers.
 
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interested_learner said:
0 is easy. 1 and .5 should be easy too. The negative values are a bit tricky. A brute force way would be to put the x's on one side and y's on the other and then set the [tex]x+x^2[/tex] to an arbitary value and then try to solve the quadratic equation for [tex]-y-y^2 = value[/tex]. The only trick is that your teacher probably doesn't want you to wander into imaginary (i) numbers.

The correct way is to simply complete the squares to read off the properties of the circles. This has nothing to do with imaginary numbers.
 
You have
(x +y)/(x2 + y2) = -1
x + y = -(x2 + y[/sup]2[/sup])
Don't stop there!
x+ y= -x2- y2
x2+ x+ y2+ y= 0

Now, as Dick said, complete the square to get the equation of the circle.
 
Not circles

I'm surprised everyone thinks this field's level curves are circles. They can't be.

Switch to a polar coordinate system:

[tex]x=r\cos\theta[/tex]
[tex]y=r\sin\theta[/tex]
[tex]T(r,\theta)=(\cos\theta+\sin\theta)/r[/tex]

For [tex]T=0[/tex], you get [tex]\cos\theta+\sin\theta=0[/tex] which occurs at [tex]\theta=-\pi/4[/tex]

For the other values, you have

[tex]\cos\theta+\sin\theta=Tr[/tex] for [tex]T=-1,-0.5,0.5,1[/tex]

and the only way these could be circles is if you could eliminate the [tex]\theta[/tex] dependence.

ZM
 
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zenmaster99 said:
I'm surprised everyone thinks this field's level curves are circles. They can't be.

Switch to a polar coordinate system:

[tex]x=r\cos\theta[/tex]
[tex]y=r\sin\theta[/tex]
[tex]T(r,\theta)=(\cos\theta+\sin\theta)/r[/tex]

For [tex]T=0[/tex], you get [tex]\cos\theta+\sin\theta=0[/tex] which occurs at [tex]\theta=-\pi/4[/tex]

For the other values, you have

[tex]\cos\theta+\sin\theta=Tr[/tex] for [tex]T=-1,0.5,1[/tex]

and the only way these could be circles is if you could eliminate the [tex]\theta[/tex] dependence.

ZM

I'm really impressed! You never considered that the circles might not be centered on the origin. Did you?
 
Doh!

It's early in the morning. :)

I just gave the polar equation for a circle for [tex]T\ne0[/tex], didn't I? :-)

ZM---going back to bed for a few hours
 
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Thanks guys! I'll have Complete The Square burned into my memory from now on.
 

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