Solving the Mystery of Energy Eigenfunctions

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The discussion revolves around the nature of energy eigenfunctions in the context of the Schrödinger equation, exploring whether all wavefunctions (psi) can be considered energy eigenfunctions and how they relate to other types of eigenfunctions such as momentum and position. The scope includes theoretical interpretations and mathematical reasoning related to quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Schrödinger equation is structured such that psi represents an energy eigenfunction, questioning if all psi are energy eigenfunctions.
  • Others argue that the time-dependent Schrödinger equation does not explicitly reference energy eigenvalues, but any wavefunction can be expressed as a sum of eigenvectors of the Hamiltonian, leading to time-dependent behavior based on eigenvalues.
  • A participant reiterates the fundamental postulate of Schrödinger, relating the time evolution of psi to the Hamiltonian and its eigenvalues, suggesting that the equation is not as mysterious as it seems.
  • Another participant acknowledges a potential misunderstanding regarding the existence of momentum and position eigenfunctions, suggesting that they may not be distinct from energy eigenfunctions.
  • One participant clarifies that position eigenfunctions are represented by Dirac delta functions and momentum eigenfunctions by plane waves, challenging the notion that there are no such eigenfunctions.
  • A later reply emphasizes that combining two solutions of the Schrödinger equation, which are energy eigenfunctions with different eigenvalues, results in a wavefunction that is not necessarily an energy eigenfunction.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy eigenfunctions and other types of eigenfunctions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations regarding the definitions of eigenfunctions and the assumptions about their relationships, particularly concerning the nature of wavefunctions and their classifications as energy, momentum, or position eigenfunctions.

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It seems the Schrödinger equation is written so that psi is an energy eigenfunction. So all psi are energy eigenfunctions? But how can it turn into other eigenfunctions like momentum? Or is it already a momentum eigenfunction as welll as the energy eigenfunction and so also position and so on...
 
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The time-dependent version of the Schroedinger equation makes no reference to energy eigenvalues. However, since the Hamiltonian is a Hermitian operator, any wavefunction can be expanded as a sum of its eigenvectors. If you crank out the resulting differential equation, the weighting coefficient of each eigenvector obeys a simple exponential relationship, which means that once the eigenvectors are found, it is a fairly simple matter to find the time-dependent behavior of the wavefunction. Thus, solving the Schroedinger equation is really just a problem of finding the Hamiltonian's eigenvalues.
 
The great postulate of Schrödinger is that -i(hbar)d(psi)/dt = H(psi) where H is the hamiltonian.

So -i(hbar)d(psi)/dt = E(psi) = H(psi)

Which as you say nothing more than finding the Hamiltonian's eigenvalues.

So the Schrödinger equation is not that mysterious after all? psi as we know it is related to the eigenfunction of the hamiltonian. But has the intepretation as |psi|^2 is the probability density.

I've just realized that there are no momentum nor position eigenfunctions so there could have been some error in my OP.
 
pivoxa15 said:
The great postulate of Schrödinger is that -i(hbar)d(psi)/dt = H(psi) where H is the hamiltonian.

So -i(hbar)d(psi)/dt = E(psi) = H(psi)

Which as you say nothing more than finding the Hamiltonian's eigenvalues.

So the Schrödinger equation is not that mysterious after all? psi as we know it is related to the eigenfunction of the hamiltonian. But has the intepretation as |psi|^2 is the probability density.

I've just realized that there are no momentum nor position eigenfunctions so there could have been some error in my OP.


There is no real error in your op. Position eigenfunctions are dirac delta functions, and momentum eigenfunctions are plane waves (in the position basis at least.)
 
pivoxa15 said:
It seems the Schrödinger equation is written so that psi is an energy eigenfunction. So all psi are energy eigenfunctions?

Let me amplify an answer you've already been given here. You can take any two solutions to the Schroedinger equation and combine them into another solution. For example:

[tex]\psi(x,t) = \psi_1(x,t) + \psi_2(x,t)[/tex]

is also a solution if [tex]\psi_1, \psi_2[/tex] are. Now think about what happens if [tex]\psi_1[/tex] and [tex]\psi_2[/tex] are eigenfunctions of energy with different eigenvalues. In general, [tex]\psi[/tex] is not an eigenfunction of energy.
 

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