Solving the Van der Waals Force Problem - Talib

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between neutral atoms and molecules, specifically focusing on the Van der Waals force and the Lennard-Jones potential. Participants are exploring various aspects of this potential, including its graphical representation and the implications for energy levels in quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to sketch the Lennard-Jones potential and are questioning how to estimate the number of allowed energy levels corresponding to bounded states. There are discussions about identifying minimums in the potential energy graph and their significance in determining stable equilibrium.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on sketching the potential and have raised questions about the relationship between the graph's minimums and the allowed energy levels. There is an ongoing exploration of concepts related to quantum mechanics and solid-state physics, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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One participant notes their current study in solid-state physics and mentions a lack of experience in quantum mechanics, which may influence their understanding of the problem.

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Hello,

Can anyone lead me or give me a hint on how to solve this problem?

Interaction between neutral atoms and molecules can be decomposed to
two different forces: an attractive force at large distances (the Van der
Waals force), and a repulsive force at short distances (due to overlap between electron wavefunctions). A simple mathematical description of this
interaction between two particles is given by the Lennard-Jones potential:


U (r) = 4*epsilon [(sigma/r)^12 - (sigma/r)^6]


where [sigma] and [epsilon] are empirical parameters (epsilon is the depth of the potential well and sigma is the (finite) distance at which the potential is zero), and r is the distance between the particles.

(a) Sketch this potential.

(b) Are there any forbidden regions? If so, what are they and why? If
not, why not?

(c) Obtain an estimate for the number of allowed energy levels corresponding
to bounded states.

(d) Calculate the energies of these (bounded) energy levels.

Thanks a lot! :D

Talib
 
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Talib said:
Hello,

Can anyone lead me or give me a hint on how to solve this problem?

Interaction between neutral atoms and molecules can be decomposed to
two different forces: an attractive force at large distances (the Van der
Waals force), and a repulsive force at short distances (due to overlap between electron wavefunctions). A simple mathematical description of this
interaction between two particles is given by the Lennard-Jones potential:


U (r) = 4*epsilon [(sigma/r)^12 - (sigma/r)^6]


where [sigma] and [epsilon] are empirical parameters (epsilon is the depth of the potential well and sigma is the (finite) distance at which the potential is zero), and r is the distance between the particles.

(a) Sketch this potential.

(b) Are there any forbidden regions? If so, what are they and why? If
not, why not?

(c) Obtain an estimate for the number of allowed energy levels corresponding
to bounded states.

(d) Calculate the energies of these (bounded) energy levels.

Thanks a lot! :D

Talib

have you even tried yet?

I'll get you started on a). You're basically just looking at U as a function of r, everything else is a constant. plot the points r at 0 and r at infnite to get a couple ideas for how the graph looks. You can also take the derivative and set it to 0 to find minimums and maximums.
 
aite thanks .. i figured the drawing .. but how can i obtain an estimate of the # of allowed energy levels??
 
Talib said:
aite thanks .. i figured the drawing .. but how can i obtain an estimate of the # of allowed energy levels??

I'm taking solid-state right now, I haven't done quantum yet, so that's where I saw Leonard-Jones potentials, and we just solved for minimum energy.

I'm thinking it will have to do with your minimums on your graph, since minimums in potential energy usually represent a stable equilibrium.
 

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