Van der Waals Equation and specific heat

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The discussion revolves around applying the van der Waals equation of state to a gas with constant specific heat, focusing on finding the change in internal energy and specific entropy. Participants are exploring the relationship between the van der Waals equation and specific heat in the context of thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss substituting the van der Waals equation into the expressions for internal energy and entropy. There is uncertainty about how the van der Waals equation relates to specific heat, and questions arise regarding the need to solve for parameters a and b first. Some participants reference the general equation for dU and its applicability to non-ideal gases.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing equations and expressing confusion about the relevance of certain relationships. There is acknowledgment that the van der Waals equation is applicable, and some guidance has been provided regarding the substitution of this equation into the relevant terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that their textbook does not provide extensive detail on the van der Waals equation, contributing to their uncertainty. There is also mention of the specific heat relationship being valid primarily for ideal gases, raising questions about its application to non-ideal gases.

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The problem reads:
Consider a gas with constant specific heat cv and the van der waals equation of state
(P+ a/v2)(v-b)=RT , where v=V/n

A) Find du and the specific internal energy u=U/n
B) Find ds and the specifi entropy s=S/n


Here's what I've tried so far:

A) I took the initial equation and subbed in the v=V/n :
(P+ a/(V/n)2)(V/n-b)=RT

I know that du= cvdT which can be rearranged cv = du/dT so that is where I can find the du is from the specific heat. However, I don't understand how the van der waals equation can be related mathematically to specific heat?
I know that a=a measure of attraction between particles and b=the volume excluded by a mol of particles. Do I need to solve for these first?

Any help is appreciated!
 
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Kelsi_Jade said:
The problem reads:
Consider a gas with constant specific heat cv and the van der waals equation of state
(P+ a/v2)(v-b)=RT , where v=V/n

A) Find du and the specific internal energy u=U/n
B) Find ds and the specifi entropy s=S/n


Here's what I've tried so far:

A) I took the initial equation and subbed in the v=V/n :
(P+ a/(V/n)2)(V/n-b)=RT

I know that du= cvdT which can be rearranged cv = du/dT so that is where I can find the du is from the specific heat. However, I don't understand how the van der waals equation can be related mathematically to specific heat?
I know that a=a measure of attraction between particles and b=the volume excluded by a mol of particles. Do I need to solve for these first?

Any help is appreciated!
dU = cv only for an ideal gas. For a non-ideal gas, u also depends on pressure P. Have you learned the general equation for du in terms of dT and dP?
 
I found this equation:
dU=CvdT+ [T(∂P/∂T)v - P]dV
but it doesn't mention anything about being related to van der waals' equation so I'm not sure if this is relevant?? Honestly, our text doesn't go much into detail on van der waals so I'm pretty lost..
 
Kelsi_Jade said:
I found this equation:
dU=CvdT+ [T(∂P/∂T)v - P]dV
but it doesn't mention anything about being related to van der waals' equation so I'm not sure if this is relevant?? Honestly, our text doesn't go much into detail on van der waals so I'm pretty lost..
Your equation is supposed to apply to any gas (or liquid), so it should be applicable to a vdW gas. Yes, the vdW equation is relevant. So you substitute the vdW equation into the term in parenthesis. Incidentally, the dV should be dv.
 

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