Solving trig equations involving aperiodic functions

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The discussion revolves around solving trigonometric equations involving aperiodic functions, specifically focusing on the equation \(\sin(2x^2+x-1)=\frac{2}{5}\). Participants explore the implications of the principal domain and the nature of the solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the principal domain and its necessity, questioning how it relates to the problem. There are attempts to derive general solutions from specific values obtained through the arcsine function, with some participants exploring the implications of the quadratic nature of the function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and corrections regarding the general solutions for \(a\). There is a recognition of the need to consider multiple values and the nature of the solutions, although no consensus on a complete method has been reached.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the methods introduced to them, particularly regarding solving trig equations with aperiodic functions, indicating a potential gap in their learning experience. There is also a discussion about the appropriate set of integers for \(k\) in the general solutions, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

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C)

Principal domain:

-\dfrac{\pi}{2}\leq 2x^2+x-1\leq \dfrac{\pi}{2}

-1.41099 \leq x \leq 0.91099

Next:

\sin(2x^2+x-1)=\dfrac{2}{5}

2x^2+x-1=\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})

x_1=-1.1265; x_2=0.62650

Since \sin(\theta)=-\sin(\theta)+\pi we get:

\sin(-(2x^2+x-1)+\pi)=\dfrac{2}{5}

-2x^2-x+1+\pi=\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})

Hence:

x_3=1.1384; x_4=-1.6384

Although, I wouldn't be able to find any more values of x by the methods I have been introduced to, since the functions is aperiodic.By the same method I can find two values of x in D), but that's it. Although, I think they want me to do something else, rather than values for x.
P.S. Also, I haven't been introduced to solving trig equations with aperiodic functions, so it must be that they want to stretch me a little. So the tasks are probably rigged somehow, like in the case of C) I can find exactly four values with the methods I've been shown (well, as I understand), and that's what they want from me in the problem.

So, I guess it must be similar with the D) task, but I can't figure it out.
 
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If ##\sin(a) = \frac{2}{5}##, what are all the possible values for ##a##?
 
maxpancho said:
Principal domain:

-\dfrac{\pi}{2}\leq 2x^2+x-1\leq \dfrac{\pi}{2}

Where does this come from? Why must ##x## satisfy this? This isn't given in the question.
 
It's just a procedure from my book to find 1 value (well, in this case there are two, because this problem involves a quadratic function) on this restricted domain and then work from it deriving general solutions.

micromass said:
If ##\sin(a) = \frac{2}{5}##, what are all the possible values for ##a##?

Well, in this case
## a=-(\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})-\pi) ##
 
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Oh wait, so I guess then:

## 2x^2+x-1=-(\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})-\pi) ## ?
 
maxpancho said:
It's just a procedure from my book to find 1 value (well, in this case there are two, because this problem involves a quadratic function) on this restricted domain and then work from it deriving general solutions.



Well, in this case
## a=-(\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})-\pi) ##

Those are not all the possible values for ##a##, but ok, setting

2x^2 + x -1 = -(\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})-\pi)

should work.
 
Yes, I fixed it, forgot to include something:

## a=-(\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})-\pi +2k \pi), k \in \mathbb Z ##
 
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maxpancho said:
Yes, I fixed it, forgot to include something:

## a=-(\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})-\pi +2k \pi), k \in \mathbb Z ##

Those are still not all the solutions, for example ##\arcsin(2/5)## isn't included in there.
 
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Right... Silly me. But I get the idea.

## a=\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})+2k \pi, k \in \mathbb Z #### a=-\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})+\pi +2k \pi, k \in \mathbb Z ##
 
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maxpancho said:
Right... Silly me. But I get the idea.

## a=\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})+2k \pi, k \in \mathbb Z ##


## a=-\arcsin(\dfrac{2}{5})+\pi +2k \pi, k \in \mathbb Z ##

Right, and all individual values for k give us a solution. So this can be used to find many solutions of your original equation.
 
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Oh, actually I just noted that ## k \notin \mathbb Z## but rather ## k \in \mathbb W ##. Otherwise the solutions are complex numbers. And any ##k \in \mathbb W## will give both negative and positive solutions.

Has to do with the "quadraticity" of the function.
 
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maxpancho said:
Oh, actually I just noted that ## k \notin \mathbb Z## but rather ## k \in \mathbb W ##. Otherwise the solutions are complex numbers. And any ##k \in \mathbb W## will give both negative and positive solutions.

Has to do with the "quadraticity" of the function.
What is ##\mathbb W \ ?##
 
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Whole numbers. I wasn't sure if you could denote it like that, but I did :).

Well, I guess it actually isn't allowed, so then it should be ## k \in \mathbb N, k=0 ##

Or maybe like this http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Z-Star.html

So ## k \in \mathbb{Z}^+ ##
 

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