Solving Vectors Questions: Cosine & Sine Laws

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem related to vectors using the cosine and sine laws. Participants are analyzing a scenario involving vector magnitudes and angles, specifically focusing on the relationships between vectors u, v, and w in a triangular configuration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the magnitude of vector v using the cosine law and are exploring how to express vector w in terms of u and v. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the angles and the relationships between the vectors, particularly whether u and v are perpendicular.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the vectors, with some participants suggesting that the problem can be approached as a trigonometric question. Others are questioning the assumptions made about the orientation and relationships of the vectors, indicating a lack of consensus on the setup.

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Participants note that the diagram is unclear and suggest that it may represent a closed triangle, which could affect the relevance of the given data. The assumption about the perpendicularity of vectors u and v is also under discussion, highlighting potential constraints in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


As in the diagram.

Homework Equations


Cosine law
sine law

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if we do attempt the magnitudes of u and w and the angle between them 60 degrees, I can solve for the opposite side where v is supposed to be.
I calculated
|k \vec{v}|^2 = |u|^2 + |w|^2 - 2|u||w| \cos 60
when I calculate the above I got the value of the right side as square root 52
\sqrt{52} = \frac{\sqrt{52}}{7} |\vec{v}|

Would this mean that to get w as a linear combination of u and v, we simply can write

\vec{w} = \vec{u} - \frac{\sqrt{52}}{7} \vec{v}

is that correct?

Thanks for your help.
 

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Think of this as a trig question: what are the component vectors of ##\vec{w}##? Go from there.
 
verty said:
Think of this as a trig question: what are the component vectors of ##\vec{w}##? Go from there.

w_{x} = 8 \cos 60 \hat{i}
w_{y} = 8 \sin 60 \hat{j}

So of course x along the horizontal so
w_{x} = |u| - |v| \cos \theta
w_{y} = - |v| \sin \theta

But this will not yield exact answers when solved
 
stunner5000pt said:
w_{x} = 8 \cos 60 \hat{i}
w_{y} = 8 \sin 60 \hat{j}

So of course x along the horizontal so
w_{x} = |u| - |v| \cos \theta
w_{y} = - |v| \sin \theta

But this will not yield exact answers when solved

PS are we to assume that u and v are perpendicular? That would remove the need for the above
 
The diagram is a little rough, but it looks as though it is supposed to be a closed triangle. If so, the given data (angle and magnitudes) are irrelevant.
 
stunner5000pt said:
w_{x} = 8 \cos 60 \hat{i}
w_{y} = 8 \sin 60 \hat{j}

So of course x along the horizontal so
w_{x} = |u| - |v| \cos \theta
w_{y} = - |v| \sin \theta

But this will not yield exact answers when solved

You have assumed that ##\vec{u}## is parallel to ##\hat{j}## and has the same orientation, but you shouldn't make these assumptions. However, the assumption that ##\vec{u}## and ##\vec{v}## are perpendicular is necessary to make any sense of the question, I think.
 

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