Solving Vertical Circular Motion Homework Problems

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The discussion revolves around vertical circular motion problems involving tension in a string. Participants are analyzing scenarios where a mass is attached to a string and moved in a vertical circle, focusing on the forces acting on the mass at different points in its trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the tension in the string at the top of the trajectory and questions the implications of a negative tension value. They also explore the relationship between maximum and minimum tension in a second scenario.

Discussion Status

Some participants question the formulation of the problems and the assumptions made, particularly regarding the conditions under which the mass moves. There is a suggestion that if tension is negative, it indicates a change in motion rather than a circular path. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of tension values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the second problem lacks clarity regarding the length of the string and whether the mass is moving at a constant speed, which may affect the analysis.

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Homework Statement


1. A ball is tied to a string then moved so that its trajectory is vertical circle. If the mass of the ball is 500 g, the speed is 2 m/s, and the length of string is 50 cm, find the tension when it is at the top of the trajectory

2. A mass m is tied to a string and moved so that its trajectory is vertical circle. The maximum and minimum value of the tension are 90 N and 10 N respectively. Determine the mass and linear speed of the mass

Homework Equations


F = mv2/r
W = mg

The Attempt at a Solution


1. T = mv2/r - mg = 4 - 5 = -1 N ?
It is possible that at the top of its motion, the tension becomes loose and yet it still moves in circle? If not, where is my mistake?

2. maximum when it is at bottom and minimum when it is at top
at bottom: 90 = mg + mv2/r
at top: 10 = mv2/r - mg

By elimination, I got m = 4 kg but I can't find v. Any suggestions?

Thanks
 
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These are not well-posed questions. Your analysis of 1 is correct. If the tension is negative, this means that the string is loose and the path of the mass is as in free fall, a parabolic trajectory and no longer a circle. Question 2 does not specify the length of the string and does not say that the mass is moving at constant speed. If you assume that the string has length 50 cm as in the previous problem and that the mass moves at constant speed, then you should be able to answer the question because you have the correct equations.
 
Sorry for replying now

Is it better to answer T = 0 N or T = -1 N? (I think it's impossible tension has negative value)

Thanks
 
It is better to answer T = 0. You can't push on something with a rope.
 
Ok. Thanks kuruman :smile:
 

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