Solving Wavefunction Problems: Tips and Examples

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The discussion revolves around wavefunctions and their properties in the context of a physics course. Participants are examining specific problems related to the wave equation and the characteristics of various wavefunctions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conditions under which certain functions are solutions to the wave equation, questioning the propagation direction of waves represented by different forms of the wavefunction. There is an exploration of trigonometric identities and their relevance to solving the problems presented.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the substitution of functions into the wave equation to verify their validity. Others are exploring the implications of wave direction and the nature of standing waves, while questioning assumptions about the behavior of specific waveforms.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of participants feeling rusty on trigonometric identities, which may affect their ability to tackle the problems effectively. Additionally, the discussion includes references to the need for further resources to clarify concepts related to wavefunctions.

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Homework Statement


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I found a couple of assignements for a physics course I will take later this year- so I started looking into them a bit in advance. It concerns wavefunctions. I'm a bit rusty on my trigonometric identities So I would love if someone could try to help me solve these two questions:

1) ##g(x±vt)## and ##h(x±vt)## are differentiable twice. Show that ##y(x,t)= Ag(x±vt) + Bh(x±vt)## is a solution to the wave equation where ##A## and ##B## are constants and ##v## is the speed of the wave.

2) Which of these functions ##(y(x,t))## is/are a solution(s) to the wave equation. If so- which direction does the wave propagate?

a) ## y = A(x^2-v^2t^2+2vtx)##
b) ## y = A(x^2+v^2t^2+2vtx)##
c) ## y= Acos(kx-ωt)##
d) ## y = Acos(kx-ωt)- Acos(kx+ωt)##

Homework Equations


The wave equation looks like this: ##\frac{{\partial ^2 y}}{{\partial x^2 }} = \frac{1}{{v^2 }}\frac{{\partial ^2 y}}{{\partial t^2 }}## If the functions in ##2## satisfy the wave equation then both sides should be equal.

I know if I get something that has the form (kx-ωt) in the function it will propagate in the positive x-direction. And (kx+ωt) then it will propagate in the negative x-direction.

The Attempt at a Solution


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The only one I know for certain to be a solution to the wave equation is c, and that would travel in the positive x-direction. I'm pretty sure that that's not the only one, so how would one go about solving these kinds of questions? I'm hoping to get a good grade when this course is due so I want to get started soon since my trigonometric knowledge is a bit rusty. The first question is confusing for me. Useful tips and/or links for reading/videos/lectures are welcome!

Thanks for reading.
 
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Quadrat said:

Homework Statement


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I found a couple of assignements for a physics course I will take later this year- so I started looking into them a bit in advance. It concerns wavefunctions. I'm a bit rusty on my trigonometric identities So I would love if someone could try to help me solve these two questions:

1) ##g(x±vt)## and ##h(x±vt)## are differentiable twice. Show that ##y(x,t)= Ag(x±vt) + Bh(x±vt)## is a solution to the wave equation where ##A## and ##B## are constants and ##v## is the speed of the wave.

2) Which of these functions ##(y(x,t))## is/are a solution(s) to the wave equation. If so- which direction does the wave propagate?

a) ## y = A(x^2-v^2t^2+2vtx)##
b) ## y = A(x^2+v^2t^2+2vtx)##
c) ## y= Acos(kx-ωt)##
d) ## y = Acos(kx-ωt)- Acos(kx+ωt)##

Homework Equations


The wave equation looks like this: ##\frac{{\partial ^2 y}}{{\partial x^2 }} = \frac{1}{{v^2 }}\frac{{\partial ^2 y}}{{\partial t^2 }}## If the functions in ##2## satisfy the wave equation then both sides should be equal.

I know if I get something that has the form (kx-ωt) in the function it will propagate in the positive x-direction. And (kx+ωt) then it will propagate in the negative x-direction.

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
The only one I know for certain to be a solution to the wave equation is c, and that would travel in the positive x-direction. I'm pretty sure that that's not the only one, so how would one go about solving these kinds of questions? I'm hoping to get a good grade when this course is due so I want to get started soon since my trigonometric knowledge is a bit rusty. The first question is confusing for me. Useful tips and/or links for reading/videos/lectures are welcome!

Thanks for reading.

For each of the four ##y(x,t)## forms you are given, substitute that form into the wave equation to see if it "works".

If you are rusty on the trig functions, now would be a good time to go to the internet and search for articles, tutorials, etc., that cover the needed material. Alternatively, get an actual book and look at the relevant parts.
 
Ray Vickson said:
For each of the four ##y(x,t)## forms you are given, substitute that form into the wave equation to see if it "works".

If you are rusty on the trig functions, now would be a good time to go to the internet and search for articles, tutorials, etc., that cover the needed material. Alternatively, get an actual book and look at the relevant parts.

For the first two in ##2## I don't see how they would work out. The second two I can solve the wave equation with (using that omega=2*pi*f, v=lambda*f and k=2*pi/lambda). But for (d) I can't figure out the direction of the wave. How do tackle that?

And regarding the first question- should I look into "the general solution" of a wave function?
 
Quadrat said:
For the first two in ##2## I don't see how they would work out. The second two I can solve the wave equation with (using that omega=2*pi*f, v=lambda*f and k=2*pi/lambda). But for (d) I can't figure out the direction of the wave. How do tackle that?

And regarding the first question- should I look into "the general solution" of a wave function?

In the case of the first two, have you actually substituted the ##y## into the wave equation to check it? This is not just a matter of "not seeing how it would work out"; it is a matter of going through all the details.
 
Ray Vickson said:
In the case of the first two, have you actually substituted the ##y## into the wave equation to check it? This is not just a matter of "not seeing how it would work out"; it is a matter of going through all the details.

I messed up with the chainrule on that one obviously. I get ##a## to be false [2A=(-2)A] but ##b## to be correct. So ##b## is traveling in the negative x-direction.

I also took the second partial derivatives in ##1## and the partial derivative with respect to ##x## is ##Ag''(x-vt)+Bh''(x-vt)## and the partial derivative with respect to ##t## to be ##v^2(Ag''(x-vt)+Bh''(x-vt))## which substituted into the wave equation makes equality and thus is a solution.

##(STUFF)=1/v^2*v^2*(SAME STUFF)=1##
 
Can someone please help me figure out how to tell the direction of the wave in ##2d##?
 
Quadrat said:
Can someone please help me figure out how to tell the direction of the wave in ##2d##?

How do you know it is moving at all?
 
Ray Vickson said:
How do you know it is moving at all?
That's the thing. When I think of what comes to mind intuitively is that it might cancel out completely or just become a permanent standing wave (bad expression maybe). I know that cos(-theta)=cos(theta) but then there's the negative sign in front of it all. Does this flip it about the y-axis to cancel it out? Is my intuition way wrong?
 
Quadrat said:
That's the thing. When I think of what comes to mind intuitively is that it might cancel out completely or just become a permanent standing wave (bad expression maybe). I know that cos(-theta)=cos(theta) but then there's the negative sign in front of it all. Does this flip it about the y-axis to cancel it out? Is my intuition way wrong?

You have it exactly right; it is a standing wave---and that is the official term!

The only distinction between
$$y_1(x,t) = \sin(kx - \omega t) + \sin(kx + \omega t)$$
and
$$y_2(x,t) = \sin(kx - \omega t) - \sin(kx + \omega t)$$
is a phase difference:

$$\begin{array}{rcr}
y_1(x,t) &=& 2 \sin(kx) \cos(\omega t) \\
y_2(x,t) &=& -2 \cos(kx) \sin(\omega t)
\end{array}
$$
 

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