Something Interesting I Realized About Integrals

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This discussion centers on the evaluation of the integral from 3 to 7 of the function x using a substitution method. The substitution x = u² + 4u + 5 leads to the indefinite integral of 0.5u⁴ + 4u³ + 13u² + 20u. The limits of integration are derived using the quadratic formula, resulting in two values for u1 and u0. The key finding is that using either value of u1 as the upper limit and either value of u0 as the lower limit consistently yields the correct integral value of 20, while using both values of u1 or u0 results in 0.

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suppose i want to find the following integral:
7
\intx dx
3

now suppose for some demented reason i decided not to do it straightforward and get (49-9)/2=20

instead i use the substitution x=u2+4u+5
giving
u1
\int(u2+4u+5)(2u+4)du
u0
u1
\int2u3+12u2+26u+20 du
u0
the indefinite integral is .5u4+4u3+13u2+20u

now its time to find the limits of integration,
by the quadratic formula,
u1=(-4\pm\sqrt{24})/2=0.44948974278318,-4.44948974278318

u0=(-4\pm\sqrt{8})/2=-0.5857864376269, -3.4142135623731
what happens when you enter these limits of integration?
Here is what's fascinating:
if i use both values of u1 as the limits of integration, i get 0 (the case is the same with using both values of u0).
if i use either value of u1 as the upper limit and either value of u0 as the lower limit, i get the correct answer of 20. there is a total of 4 ways to correctly get the answer. it doesn't matter which of the values i use as long as i use a value of u1 as the upper limit and a value of u0 as the lower limit.

you can go ahead and test it to see what i mean.
 
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okkvlt said:
suppose i want to find the following integral:
7
\intx dx
3

now suppose for some demented reason i decided not to do it straightforward and get (49-9)/2=20

instead i use the substitution x=u2+4u+5
giving
u1
\int(u2+4u+5)(2u+4)du
u0
u1
\int2u3+12u2+26u+20 du
u0
the indefinite integral is .5u4+4u3+13u2+20u

now its time to find the limits of integration,
by the quadratic formula,
u1=(-4\pm\sqrt{24})/2=0.44948974278318,-4.44948974278318

u0=(-4\pm\sqrt{8})/2=-0.5857864376269, -3.4142135623731



what happens when you enter these limits of integration?
Here is what's fascinating:
if i use both values of u1 as the limits of integration, i get 0 (the case is the same with using both values of u0).

Yes, of course. The two values of u1 both correspond to x= 7 and the integral of any function from "7" to "7" is 0.

if i use either value of u1 as the upper limit and either value of u0 as the lower limit, i get the correct answer of 20. there is a total of 4 ways to correctly get the answer. it doesn't matter which of the values i use as long as i use a value of u1 as the upper limit and a value of u0 as the lower limit.
Somewhere in your calculation you are doing the equivalent putting your values of u0 and u1 into the formula u2+ 4u+ 5 and getting values of 7 for both values of u1 and 3 for both values of u0. This behavior is eactly what you should expect.

you can go ahead and test it to see what i mean.
 

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