Integration - Change of Variable

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating a definite integral using integration by substitution, specifically the integral I = ∫(3 + 4t)^(5/3) dt from x₀ to x. Participants express confusion regarding the limits of integration and the appropriate use of variable substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential typo in the limits of integration, questioning whether they should be t and t₀ instead of x and x₀. There is mention of the need to change limits when performing variable substitution, and some participants attempt to clarify the correct limits after substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the correct application of variable substitution and the implications for the limits of integration. There is no explicit consensus, but several clarifications have been offered regarding the treatment of dummy variables and the structure of the integral.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of maintaining consistent variable usage in definite integrals, and there is a recognition of the potential confusion arising from the notation used in the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement


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Use integration by substitution to evaluate the integral,

I = \int^{x}_{x_{0}} (3 + 4t)^{\frac{5}{3}} dt

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am confused by this question, and think that the limits on the integral might be a typo. Does it make sense for them to be x, x_{0}? I think that the question means for them to be t, t_{0} but I'm not sure that it isn't me not understanding something properly.

Ordinarily,

I would make the substitution u = 3 + 4t, and say that du = 4 dt.

I = \int^{3+4t}_{3+4t_{0}} (u)^{\frac{5}{3}} \frac{du}{4} = [ \frac{3}{5} \frac{u^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}]^{3 + 4t}_{3+4t_{0}} = [ \frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t)^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}]^{3 + 4t}_{3+4t_{0}}

I = (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t)^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}) - (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t_{0})^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4})

It simplifies a bit further, but i'd really like confirmation that I have interpreted this question correctly.

Thanks.
 
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What you have here is a definite integral: the integral of (3 + 4t)^{5/3} between x_0 and x. It's no different from if you were asked to evaluate \int_a^b (3 + 4t)^{5/3}\,dt.

When writing definite integrals it is bad practice to use the same symbol as both a limit of the integral and as the dummy variable. And when a question uses a particular symbol, you should use that same symbol in your answer.
 
Yes, when you change the variable, you have to change the limits of integration as well.

Your integral has x_0 and x as limits of integration and you let u= 3+ 4t. At the lower limit, t= x_0 so u= 3+ 4x_0. At the upper limit, t= x so u= 3+ 4x. Your integral should be
\frac{1}{4}\int_{3+4x_0}^{3+ 4x} u^{5/3} du

You final result, whether you integrate with respect to t or u, should be a function of x.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, when you change the variable, you have to change the limits of integration as well.

Your integral has x_0 and x as limits of integration and you let u= 3+ 4t. At the lower limit, t= x_0 so u= 3+ 4x_0. At the upper limit, t= x so u= 3+ 4x. Your integral should be
\frac{1}{4}\int_{3+4x_0}^{3+ 4x} u^{5/3} du

You final result, whether you integrate with respect to t or u, should be a function of x.

Hello,

does this mean that here I = (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t)^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}) - (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t_{0})^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}), where there is a t, I need to substitute in (3+ 4x) and (3+4x_{0})

To get I = (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4(3+4x))^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}) - (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4(3 + 4x_{0})^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4})?
 
pasmith said:
What you have here is a definite integral: the integral of (3 + 4t)^{5/3} between x_0 and x. It's no different from if you were asked to evaluate \int_a^b (3 + 4t)^{5/3}\,dt.

When writing definite integrals it is bad practice to use the same symbol as both a limit of the integral and as the dummy variable. And when a question uses a particular symbol, you should use that same symbol in your answer.
Hi,

now that you've said it, I do recall my lecturer discussing dummy variables.

Thanks.
 
BOAS said:
Hello,

does this mean that here I = (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t)^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}) - (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4t_{0})^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}), where there is a t, I need to substitute in (3+ 4x) and (3+4x_{0})

To get I = (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4(3+4x))^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4}) - (\frac{3}{5} \frac{(3+4(3 + 4x_{0})^{\frac{8}{3}}}{4})?

No ! Now you've done the transform twice.

You work out an expression for ## \frac{1}{4}\int_a^b u^{5/3} du## and fill in a = 3 + 4x0 and b = 3 + 4x
 
BvU said:
No ! Now you've done the transform twice.

You work out an expression for ## \frac{1}{4}\int_a^b u^{5/3} du## and fill in a = 3 + 4x0 and b = 3 + 4x

Thanks for clarifying that, I suspected this would be the case.
 

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