'Special' fourth order Feynman diagram Compton Scattering - Why is it allowed?

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The forum discussion centers on the validity of a specific fourth order Feynman diagram related to Compton scattering, represented by the equation e^- + γ → e^- + γ. Participants assert that the diagram is not allowed, referencing Griffith's "Introduction to Elementary Particles" for clarification. A printing error is suspected regarding the representation of a virtual propagator, which should be depicted as a curly line rather than a solid line. The discussion concludes that the diagram's validity hinges on the proper interpretation of virtual particles and their contributions to the overall calculation.

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I thought the fundamental electromagnetic vertex is

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Why is the following diagram below allowed? The 'special' feynman diagram for compton scattering ##e^- + \gamma \rightarrow e^- + \gamma## is

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It is not.
 
Orodruin said:
It is not.

This is taken straight from Griffith's book: "Introduction to Elementary Particles".
 
It is still not allowed, assuming the solid lines actually represent electron propagators.
 
Orodruin said:
It is still not allowed, assuming the solid lines actually represent electron propagators.

True. I think there is a printing error. The long vertical line is supposed to be a virtual propagator (curly line) I think.

Check http://hep.uchicago.edu/~pilcher/p237-06/hw8_sol.pdf
 
Curly line means photon propagator, not necessarily a virtual particle.
 
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unscientific said:
True. I think there is a printing error. The long vertical line is supposed to be a virtual propagator (curly line) I think.

Check http://hep.uchicago.edu/~pilcher/p237-06/hw8_sol.pdf
I don't see your diagram there. The last one on page 1 (rotated by 90 degrees) has a curly line = photon at the place where your diagram has an error.

It is certainly virtual independent of its type because it has two ends in the diagram.
 
Assuming its a photon connecting the bottom to the triangle loop, its the last diagram in that list. This diagram and the one with the loop's arrows in the opposite direction exactly cancel. (Write it out, take the trace, add it up). So it is not the diagram that is zero, but the sum of the two.
 
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