Special relativity - scattering angle

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum scattering angle of a particle with mass ##m_1## that collides with a stationary particle of mass ##m_2##, where ##m_2 < m_1##, in the context of special relativity. The original poster attempts to apply conservation of 4-momentum to derive an expression for the cosine of the scattering angle.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem using 4-momenta and conservation laws. There are questions regarding the correctness of the derived equation for ##\cos \theta##, particularly concerning the signs and factors involved. The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the resulting equation and considers the possibility of a simpler approach.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, with some participants suggesting corrections and checking the validity of the original poster's calculations. While a specific result is mentioned, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approach or the final answer.

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Participants note the potential for mistakes in the initial setup, which could affect the outcome. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the algebra involved, and the discussion hints at the possibility of alternative methods without providing explicit solutions.

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Homework Statement


Finding the maximum scattering angle of a particle whose mass in ##m_1## which hits with relativistic velocity ##v## a particle at rest with mass ##m_2<m_1##.

The Attempt at a Solution


I've written the 4-momenta (p before the collision, k after the collision and the z-axis is along the direction of the incident particle):
$$p_1=(m_1\gamma,0,0,m_1\gamma v)$$
$$p_2=(m_2,0,0,0)$$
$$k_1=(E,0,\sqrt{E^2-m^2_1}\sin{\theta},\sqrt{E^2-m^2_1}\cos{\theta})$$
For ##k_2## the components are not important, it's important that ##k^2_2=m^2_2##
Then I've used the conservation of 4-momentum ##p_1+p_2=k_1+k_2##, then ##k_2=p_1+p_2-k_1##, then ##k^2_2=p^2_1+p^2_2+k^2_1+2p_1p_2-2p_1k_1-2p_2k_1##. After calculations I've found:
$$\cos{\theta}=\frac{m^2_1+m_1m_2\gamma-2E(m_1\gamma+m_2)}{m_1\gamma v\sqrt{E^2-m^2_1}}$$.
Then I've taken the derivative ##\frac{d(\cos{\theta})}{dE}## and put it equal to 0. However, I've found an equation quite difficult to solve and I think it's wrong.
I think the way I set up the problem is not incorrect, but maybe there is a easier way or some trick to reduce calcus.
 
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Aleolomorfo said:
Then I've used the conservation of 4-momentum ##p_1+p_2=k_1+k_2##, then ##k_2=p_1+p_2-k_1##, then ##k^2_2=p^2_1+p^2_2+k^2_1+2p_1p_2-2p_1k_1-2p_2k_1##. After calculations I've found:
$$\cos{\theta}=\frac{m^2_1+m_1m_2\gamma-2E(m_1\gamma+m_2)}{m_1\gamma v\sqrt{E^2-m^2_1}}$$.
Check the overall sign of the right hand side of the equation for ##\cos \theta## and also check if the factor of 2 in the numerator is correct.

Then I've taken the derivative ##\frac{d(\cos{\theta})}{dE}## and put it equal to 0. However, I've found an equation quite difficult to solve and I think it's wrong.
I think the way I set up the problem is not incorrect, but maybe there is a easier way or some trick to reduce calcus.
With the corrections mentioned above, it will work out if you slog through it. I don't know of a clever trick to reduce the algebra. Maybe someone else can show us a better way.
 
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TSny said:
Check the overall sign of the right hand side of the equation for ##\cos \theta## and also check if the factor of 2 in the numerator is correct.

With the corrections mentioned above, it will work out if you slog through it. I don't know of a clever trick to reduce the algebra. Maybe someone else can show us a better way.

Thank you for your help. The worst is when you make a mistake at the beginning. My result is ##\cos{\theta_{max}}=\sqrt{1-\frac{m^2_2}{m^2_1}}##, I think it's correct or at least is plausible.
 
Aleolomorfo said:
Thank you for your help. The worst is when you make a mistake at the beginning. My result is ##\cos{\theta_{max}}=\sqrt{1-\frac{m^2_2}{m^2_1}}##, I think it's correct or at least is plausible.
Yes, that's the correct answer. It's even nicer when expressed in terms of ##\sin \theta##. Since the answer is independent of the speed of the incoming particle, the result is the same as the nonrelativistic, Newtonian result.
 

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