[Special Relativity]Questions on Maxwell Equations' Derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Maxwell's equations in the context of Special Relativity, specifically focusing on the transformation of these equations between different reference frames. Participants explore the implications of Lorentz transformations on electric and magnetic fields, as well as the role of the electromagnetic field strength tensor.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the appearance of certain partial derivatives in the transformed Maxwell equations, specifically questioning how terms involving Y and Z arise from the transformation equations.
  • Another participant clarifies that the derivatives are with respect to the coordinates y and z, suggesting that the confusion may stem from misunderstanding how Lorentz transformations apply to both coordinates and the electromagnetic field tensor.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the electromagnetic field strength tensor and its transformation properties when switching reference frames, noting that this involves applying Lorentz transformations to each index of the tensor.
  • Some participants recommend that those new to Special Relativity consider starting with modern textbooks rather than Einstein's original paper, arguing that historical progression may not be the most pedagogical approach.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding tensor notation could simplify the study of Special Relativity, as it generalizes the concept of vectors.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of the topic and the utility of modern resources for learning. However, there is no consensus on the specific confusion regarding the transformation of Maxwell's equations, as different interpretations and explanations are offered.

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Some participants note that understanding tensors and their transformations is crucial for grasping the concepts discussed, but there is an acknowledgment of varying levels of familiarity with these ideas among participants.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of Special Relativity, particularly those seeking clarification on the relationship between Maxwell's equations and Lorentz transformations, as well as those interested in the mathematical framework of tensors.

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In Einstein's paper section 6 (I'm reading an English version online: https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/), it's said that one of the Maxwell Equations in frame K
\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial X}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial N}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial M}{\partial z}, where <X, Y, Z> denotes the vector of the electric force and <L, M, N> that of the magnetic force, can be "transformed" into frame K' which is moving at a constant speed v on the x-axis with respect to K,
\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial X}{\partial \tau} = \frac{\partial}{\partial \eta} \{ \beta \cdot (N - \frac{v}{c}Y) \} - \frac{\partial}{\partial \zeta} \{ \beta \cdot (M + \frac{v}{c}Z) \}, where \beta = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}

I'm confused by the existence of terms \frac{\partial Y}{\partial \eta} and \frac{\partial Z}{\partial \zeta}, because it's derived in section 3 that

\tau = \beta \cdot (t - \frac{vx}{c^2})
\xi = \beta \cdot (x - vt)
\eta = y
\zeta = z

I can't find a way to apply partial derivative operations to make \frac{\partial Y}{\partial \eta} and \frac{\partial Z}{\partial \zeta} come out. Could anyone give me some tips? Any help is appreciated.
 
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I'm not sure where your confusion is.. η=y and ζ=z, as you showed so the two derivatives are just w.r.t. y and z. If your confusion is about how the electric field terms end up on the right side of the equation, I think you're looking in the wrong place. Lorentz transformations don't only occur on the coordinate system, they also transform 4-vectors and 4-tensors. The electromagnetic field strength tensor (F_{\mu\nu}=\partial_\mu A_\nu - \partial_\nu A_\mu) transforms as a rank 2 4-tensor. So when you switch reference frames you actually need to apply a Lorentz transformation to each index of F, in addition to evaluating F at the transformed coordinates. That is where the mixing of the E and B fields comes from, its not some trick found by manipulating the coordinate system.
 
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michael879 said:
The electromagnetic field strength tensor (F_{\mu\nu}=\partial_\mu A_\nu - \partial_\nu A_\mu) transforms as a rank 2 4-tensor. So when you switch reference frames you actually need to apply a Lorentz transformation to each index of F, in addition to evaluating F at the transformed coordinates.

Thanks a lot michael879! I'm afraid I can't understand the tensor part immediately, but it looks like a right way to go after searching for some information about it.

I'm totally new to Special Relativity, your answer is really helpful :p
 
If you are new to SR I would suggest starting somewhere different from Einstein's original paper. It is very seldom that the way science has progressed historically is the most pedagogical one. A better place to start would be a modern textbook appropriate to your level of understanding.
 
Orodruin said:
If you are new to SR I would suggest starting somewhere different from Einstein's original paper. It is very seldom that the way science has progressed historically is the most pedagogical one. A better place to start would be a modern textbook appropriate to your level of understanding.
^ very good advice :P As for tensor's, they're a little strange intuitively at first, but they really are just a generalization of vectors. Once you understand 4-vectors (which are rank 1 tensors) tensors are pretty straight forward.

Also, I would recommend learning and using Einstein notation (also known as tensor notation). It makes understanding special relativity infinitely easier, as 3-vectors just end up being awkward
 
Thank you for the advice @Orodruin :)

Learning SR is really getting me into a depth-first-search like recursion :p
 
genxium said:
Learning SR is really getting me into a depth-first-search like recursion :p
Lmao, I rly like that analogy. I don't think physics ever stops being like that
 

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