Special Relativity rocket’s speed

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The problem involves a rocket traveling between two planets one light-year apart, with the goal of determining the necessary speed for the captain's watch to show one year of elapsed time. The subject area pertains to special relativity and the associated equations of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem and the equations involved, particularly focusing on the Lorentz factor (γ) and its implications. There are attempts to manipulate the equations to find the speed, with some participants expressing confusion over complex roots in their solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on algebraic steps and questioning the correctness of expressions used. Some participants have shared their calculations and are seeking clarification on their reasoning. There is a collaborative atmosphere as members encourage each other to show their work for better assistance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need to clarify assumptions made in their calculations and the importance of correctly applying the equations of special relativity. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem and the potential for misunderstanding in the algebraic manipulation.

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Homework Statement


A rocket flies between two planets that are one light-year apart. What
should the rocket’s speed be so that the time elapsed on the captain’s watch
is one year?

Homework Equations


I have v = d'/t'
d'=d/ϒ
t'=1 year
d=1 light year

The Attempt at a Solution


Will the equations I use vϒ=d/t' but I get complex roots as an answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Hello and welcome to PF!

I believe you have it set up correctly. You'll need to show your algebra steps in order for us to see where you are making a mistake.
 
TSny said:
Hello and welcome to PF!

I believe you have it set up correctly. You'll need to show your algebra steps in order for us to see where you are making a mistake.
v(sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)=d/t
v^2(1-(v/c)^2)=d^2/t^2
v^2-v^4/c^2=d^2/t^2
v^2-v^4/c^2-d^2/t^2=0
I used wolfram to solve for roots and it gave back complex numbers.
 
br0shizzle1 said:
v(sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)=d/t
Did you use the correct expression for ϒ?
 
TSny said:
Did you use the correct expression for ϒ?
oops, v^2/(1-(v/c)^2)=d^2/t^2
Should I multiply the LHS by the denominators conjugate?
 
br0shizzle1 said:
oops, v^2/(1-(v/c)^2)=d^2/t^2

EDIT: OK

Should I multiply the LHS by the denominators conjugate?

No, try multiplying both sides by the denominator on the left side.
 
TSny said:
EDIT: OK
No, try multiplying both sides by the denominator on the left side.
Ah! thank you, everything works now.
edit: is there any way I can give your points or something of that regard?
 
Good work! Don't worry about any points.
 
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br0shizzle1 said:
Ah! thank you, everything works now.
edit: is there any way I can give your points or something of that regard?
Hey! Would you mind sharing what you got as a result? I'm having a little trouble with the equation myself.
 
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Harjot said:
Hey! Would you mind sharing what you got as a result? I'm having a little trouble with the equation myself.
PF custom is to help find answers. So show your work to let us help you where you get stuck.

@br0shizzle1: TSny is too modest -- befitting someone of his (/her?) status in PF. But there is a "Like" link at the lower right in every posting (except your own :) ).
 
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BvU said:
PF custom is to help find answers. So show your work to let us help you where you get stuck.

@br0shizzle1: TSny is too modest -- befitting someone of his (/her?) status in PF. But there is a "Like" link at the lower right in every posting (except your own :) ).
Fair enough. I also had v(gamma)=d/t' --> (v^2)=((d^2)/(t'^2))*(1-(v/c)^2) --> here I considered d^2/t'^2 to be equal to c^2 because d=1 light year and t we set to 1 year so my equation became --> v^2 = c^2(1-(v^2/c^2)) --> (v^2)/(c^2) = 1-(v^2/c^2) --> ((v^2)/(c^2))+((v^2)/(c^2)) = 1 --> 2((v^2)/(c^2)) = 1 --> ((v^2)/(c^2)) = 1/2 ----> v/c=sqrt(1/2) and then v=sqrt(1/2)*c.

Appreciate the response :)
 
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And where do you think you have trouble with the equation ?

Oh, and: Hello Harjo, welcome to PF! :)

A little unusual to make your debut tagging onto an existing thread, but your question is clear and it's a start...
 
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Oh I was just wondering if I had done it right. If my assumption was fair to make.

I realize now I should have put the work down first and then asked for clarification. woopsie daisy
 
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You're doing fine. And, just so you know: I was surprised by the answer, too ! Shows you're never too old to learn
 
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Awesome! True enough :w

Thanks a bunch!
 

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