(special relativity)Trajectory under constant ordinary force

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The problem involves a particle subjected to a constant force in the +x direction while initially moving in the +y direction. The objective is to determine the trajectory of the particle in three-dimensional space, specifically the functions x(t), y(t), and z(t).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of momentum and the integration of force to find the trajectory. There are questions about whether to integrate the components of momentum separately and how to handle the relativistic effects on velocity.
  • Some participants suggest using Lorentz transformations to simplify the problem, while others express concerns about the complexity of coupling equations.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between the total velocity and the components in the context of relativistic momentum.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored, including the use of Lorentz transformations and the integration of momentum equations. Participants are questioning the correctness of their methods and seeking clarification on the relationships between the components of motion.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding the integration steps and the treatment of relativistic effects. Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

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Homework Statement



A particle is subject to a constant force F on +x direction. At t = 0, it is located at origin with velocity vo in +y direction.

Homework Equations



Determine the trajectory of the particle. x(t),y(t),z(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\vec{p}= \int \vec{F} dt[/tex]
[tex]\vec{p} = \vec{F}t + constant[/tex]

At t=0
[tex]\vec{p} = \gamma mv_{o}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{p} = Ft\hat{x} + \gamma mv_{o}\hat{y}[/tex]

what should I do next? should I integral over [tex]p_{x}[/tex] and [tex]p_{y}[/tex] separately? Is that so, what are the exact steps?

I tried using
[tex]p_{x} = \frac{mu_{x}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{u^{2}_{x}}{c^{2}}}} = Ft[/tex]
[tex]x(t) = \frac{mc^{2}}{F} (\sqrt{1+\frac{Ft}{mc}^{2}} -1)[/tex]

what about y(t)? it seems it is a linear with t. I don't know where I get wrong.
 
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hoyung711 said:
I tried using
[tex]p_{x} = \frac{mu_{x}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{u^{2}_{x}}{c^{2}}}} = Ft[/tex]

[itex]\gamma[/itex] involves [itex]u^2[/itex], not just the x-component of the velocity:wink:
 
gabbagabbahey said:
[itex]\gamma[/itex] involves [itex]u^2[/itex], not just the x-component of the velocity:wink:

Do you mean I have to use
[tex]\frac{mu_{x}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{u^{2}_{x}+u^{2}_{y}}{c^{2}}}} = Ft[/tex]
[tex]\frac{mu_{y}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{u^{2}_{x}+u^{2}_{y}}{c^{2}}}} = \gamma mu_{o}[/tex]

and solve these coupling equations?
 
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Yup.
 
Do I have another way, because there will be messy if I solve the coupling and then take the integral.
Would Lorentz's transform help me to simplify the process?
 
Using L.T. s.t. [tex]\bar{S}[/tex] is moving in y-direction with [tex]u_{o}[/tex]

[tex]\bar{F_{x}}=\gamma F[/tex]
[tex]\bar{F_{y}}=0[/tex]
[tex]\bar{F_{z}}=0[/tex]

[tex]\bar{u_{x}}=0[/tex]
[tex]\bar{u_{y}}=0[/tex]
[tex]\bar{u_{z}}=0[/tex]

Is this correct?
 
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I think my L.T. transform got some problems since the answer is too simple..
Can anyone give a hand?
 
I just sketch the method I used.
First use
[tex]\frac{d\gamma mu_{x}}{dt}=F_{x}=F[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d\gamma mu_{y}}{dt}=0[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d\gamma mu_{z}}{dt}=0[/tex]

Then shows z is always zero
Hence the [tex]u^{2}[/tex] in the [tex]\gamma[/tex] becomes [tex]u_{x}^{2}+u_{y}^{2}[/tex]

Afterwards, integrated out [tex]u_{x}[/tex] and [tex]u_{y}[/tex]
decouple the equation s.t. one involves only [tex]u_{x}[/tex] and other [tex]u_{y}[/tex]
integrate it again, you will get the answer
 
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