Special Relativity vs General Relativity: T_{\mu\nu} = 0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between Special Relativity (SR) and General Relativity (GR) in the context of the stress-energy tensor \( T_{\mu\nu} = 0 \). Participants explore whether SR can be derived as a special case of GR under these conditions, examining the implications for the Ricci tensor and scalar curvature.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that SR appears as a special case of GR when \( T_{\mu\nu} = 0 \), suggesting that the solution to Einstein's equation would be the Minkowski metric.
  • Others argue that a zero stress tensor alone does not guarantee a Minkowski metric, as additional conditions, such as a zero Weyl tensor and the appropriate manifold, are necessary.
  • A participant draws an analogy to Maxwell's equations, noting that having no charges does not imply zero electric and magnetic fields everywhere, highlighting the need for boundary conditions in both GR and electromagnetism.
  • Some participants question whether vacuum and asymptotic flatness in GR imply that the Riemann curvature is zero everywhere, with responses indicating that this is not necessarily the case.
  • One participant mentions that while \( T_{\mu\nu} = 0 \) can lead to the Minkowski metric in an inertial frame, the components of the metric may not be constant in space, suggesting the presence of gravitational forces or accelerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether SR can be definitively derived from GR under the condition \( T_{\mu\nu} = 0 \). Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions regarding the relationship between the stress-energy tensor, curvature tensors, and the conditions necessary for deriving SR from GR. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations about the implications of a zero stress tensor and the nature of curvature in empty space.

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Does SR appear as the special case of GR when [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex] in which case the solution of Einstein's equation is the Minkowski metric?

And what are the Ricci tensors and scalar curvature like in the case [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex]?
 
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quasar987 said:
Does SR appear as the special case of GR when [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex] in which case the solution of Einstein's equation is the Minkowski metric?

And what are the Ricci tensors and scalar curvature like in the case [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex]?


Using the field equations (with zero cosmological constant), a zero stress tensor yields a zero ricci tensor and ricci scalar. You'll need more than requiring "vacuum" (zero stress tensor) to get SR.

You'll need a zero Weyl Tensor as well.
Strictly speaking, to get "SR", you'll need the right manifold, [tex]R^4[/tex], to start with.
 
The analogy to Maxwell's equations might be helpful here to clarify some of the reasons why a zero stress tensor doesn't guarantee a Minkowski (SR) metric.

Consider asking "Suppose you have no charges - are the E and B fields zero everywhere?". The answer is no, you could have electromagnetic radiation. Usually one specifies boundary conditions as well as a charge distribution to get a unique solution to Maxwell's equations. For Maxwell's equations, having E and B zero at infinity is a standard boundary condition, for GR the analogous boundary condition would be "asymptotic flatness".
 
Are you suggesting that, for GR, vacuum and asymptotic flatness imply that the Riemann curvature is zero everywhere?
 
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quasar987 said:
Does SR appear as the special case of GR when [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex] in which case the solution of Einstein's equation is the Minkowski metric?

And what are the Ricci tensors and scalar curvature like in the case [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex]?

SR is the special case of GR where the metric components [itex]g_{\mu\nu}[/itex] are all constants. This corresponds to a zero Riemann tensor, which is more restrictive than setting the Ricci tensor equal to zero. [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex], which gives a zero Ricci tensor, corresponds to empty space. Empty space can be curved, of course.
 
robphy said:
Are you suggesting that, for GR, vacuum and asymptotic flatness imply that the Riemann curvature is zero everywhere?

No, not really.
 
quasar987 said:
Does SR appear as the special case of GR when [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex] in which case the solution of Einstein's equation is the Minkowski metric?

And what are the Ricci tensors and scalar curvature like in the case [itex]T_{\mu\nu}=0[/itex]?
I've used [itex]T_{\mu\nu}[/itex] in SR myself. In fact I learned more about it in an SR text than any GR text that I have. In my cases it was used to analyze things like the non-proportionality of energy density and inertial mass density. As far as [itex]T_{\mu\nu}= 0[/itex], this can lead to the Minkowski metric once you transform to an inertial frame. Otherwise the components of the metric (i.e. the set of ten gravitational potentials g_uv) may net be constant in space, i.e. there could be gravitational forces/accelerations still present.

Pete
 
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