Specific & Latent Heat - Heat required to turn water in Aluminum Tray -> Ice

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The problem involves calculating the heat required to turn 200 g of water in an aluminum tray into ice at -15°C, starting from an initial temperature of 18°C. The specific heat and latent heat are relevant concepts in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method of calculating total heat removal, including temperature changes for both aluminum and water, as well as phase changes. There are questions regarding the signs used in calculations and the values for latent heat.

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Multiple interpretations of the calculations are being explored, with participants providing different results and questioning the correctness of their methods and assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of signs in the equations.

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There is mention of potential computational errors and the need to ensure consistent units, particularly regarding latent heat values. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of their calculations and the accuracy of their assumptions.

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Specific & Latent Heat - Heat required to turn water in Aluminum Tray --> Ice

Homework Statement



200 g Water (l) is contained in an Aluminum ice tray that has a mass of 340 g. Both is at 18°C. How much heat (Q) must be removed to turn the water into ice at -15°C?

Aluminum mAl= 340g
Water mW= 200g
Ti= 18°C

Tf= -15°C


Homework Equations



Specific Heat Q = mcΔT
Latent Heat Q = mLf

The Attempt at a Solution



QNET= heat removed to bring Aluminum from 18°C to -15°C
+ heat removed to bring Waterl from 18°C to 0°C
+ heat removed from water to change phase (liquid to solid)
+ heat removed to bring ice from 0°C to -15°C

QNET = (mcΔT)Al + (mcΔT)W(l) + (mLf)w + (mcΔT)W(s)

QNET = [.34kg (900 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(-15°C-18°C)] + [.2kg (4186 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(0°C - 18°C)] +[.2kg (333*103 \frac{J}{kg})] + [.2kg (2100 \frac{J}{kg*°C}) (-15°C-0°C)
QNET = 35132.4 J = 35.1324 kJ

My answer is not one of the choices. What am I doing wrong? Please help!

Thank you in advance. Any and all help is much appreciated!
 
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when I did it I got 97.9kJ. I can only imagine that something went wrong with all the - signs.
For the Al I used temp change = 33 (18 to -15), for the water 18 and for the ice 15.
 


I think you might omit 103 from the latent heat.

ehild
 


ehild said:
I think you might omit 103 from the latent heat.

Latent Heat as given on the table was 333 kJ/kg. I needed it to be J/kg, which came out to be 333*103 J/kg.
 


There is certainly nothing wrong with your method (as far as I can see) it must be a computational error somewhere.
 


technician said:
when I did it I got 97.9kJ. I can only imagine that something went wrong with all the - signs.
For the Al I used temp change = 33 (18 to -15), for the water 18 and for the ice 15.

"For the Al I used temp change = 33 (18 to -15)"

Q = mcΔT
33 grams for the mass of the Aluminum tray?
QAl= (.34 kg) (900 \frac{J}{kg*C°})(-15°C - 18°C)
did I lay that out wrong or did I use the wrong numbers?

"for the water 18"
Water in liquid form is from 18°C to 0°C

"ice 15"
Ice from 0°C to -15°C

is that what you meant?
 


technician said:
There is certainly nothing wrong with your method (as far as I can see) it must be a computational error somewhere.

Q(aluminum) = -10098 J
Q (water from 18°C to 0°C) = - 150696 J
Q (water to ice phase change) = 666000 J
Q (ice from 0°C to -15°C) = -6300 J

(-10098 J) + (-150696 J) + (666000 J) + (-6300 J) = 35,132.4 J = 35.13 kJ

What am I doing wrong? Are the signs wrong?
 


format1998 said:
QNET = [.34kg (900 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(-15°C-18°C)] + [.2kg (4186 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(0°C - 18°C)] +[.2kg (333*103 \frac{J}{kg})] + [.2kg (2100 \frac{J}{kg*°C}) (-15°C-0°C)

The latent heat has to be taken with negative sign. It is also removed heat. Change + to minus.

ehild
 


my values are
Q for aluminium =0.34 x 900 x 33 = 10098 J
Q water 18 to 0 = 0.2 x 4186 x 18 = 15070 J
Q water to ice = 0.2 x 333000 = 66600 J I think this is the difference!
Q ice to -15 = 0.2 x 2100 x 15 = 6300 J
These all add up to 10098 + 15070 +66600 +6300 = 98068 or 98kJ
We must be getting close ! I want to go to bed soon
 
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Thank you both for your help! Much appreciated!
 

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