Spectrophotometry: Iron in Vitamin tablets and Absorbance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molarity of Fe(o-phenanthroline) in solutions used in a spectrophotometry experiment involving iron in vitamin tablets. Participants explore methods for determining molarity based on absorbance data and the stability of the iron complex.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the molarity of Fe(o-phenanthroline) but is unsure about the moles of o-phenanthroline used.
  • Another participant suggests ignoring the concentration of o-phenanthroline, assuming a high stability constant means all iron is complexed.
  • It is proposed that a linear relationship between iron concentration and absorbance should be established.
  • There is a reference to a specific step in the provided PDF that instructs calculating the molarity of Fe(o-phenanthroline) and the average molar absorptivity.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of concentration, with one participant using the equation M1V1=M2V2 to find the concentration of iron.
  • Questions arise regarding whether to express molarity in mg/L or moles/L for calculating molar absorptivity.
  • A participant mentions that something in the experiment is sensitive to air, prompting a query about which component it is.
  • Another participant identifies hydroquinone and Fe+2 as oxygen-reactive species, questioning the stability of the complexed Fe+2 ion in relation to air exposure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of o-phenanthroline concentration and how to approach the calculations for molarity and molar absorptivity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to calculate and express these values.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the stability of the iron complex and the effects of air exposure on the experiment. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the appropriate units for molarity in relation to molar absorptivity calculations.

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This is the experiment that I did in class, please read the whole thing before posting:
http://www.chem.uic.edu/fetzer/chem222/Exp_19.pdf

How do I calculate the molarity of Fe(o-phenanthroline) in each solution?

So I was thinking of doing this:
According to the pdf there are 2.5 grams of o-phenanthroline dissolved in 100 mL of ethanol and 900 mL of water was added, but I don't know the moles of o-phenantroline.

For the standard Fe: .04 mg/mL, I can find the mg of Fe of each solution
.04 x 10 ml= .4mg
5mL= .2 mg
2 mL= .08 mg
1 mL= .04 mg
and from the periodic table table we can find the moles of Fe
So I'm wondering if I can find the molarity of Fe(o-phenanthroline) from the absorbance because I don't see how else to find it.

Here's my data:
Micrograms of Fe Standard (mg)
0
0.4
0.2
0.08
0.04

Background Corrected Average ABS (A)
0
0.79
0.39
0.15
0.08
 
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You can ignore concentration of phenantroline assuming complex stability constant is so high all iron is complexed.
 
The principle is that you can as Borek said, ignore the concentration of the ligand, but you want to look for a linear relationship between Fe concentration and absorbance.
 
Borek said:
You can ignore concentration of phenantroline assuming complex stability constant is so high all iron is complexed.

Are you sure because on step 8 of the PDF it says, "Calculate the molarity of
Fe(o-phenanthroline) in each solution and find the average molar absorptivity (ε in Beer's
law) from the four absorbances."
 
That just supports what I said - calculate concentration of complex assuming it equals concentration of iron.
 
Borek said:
That just supports what I said - calculate concentration of complex assuming it equals concentration of iron.

ok so for the 10mL of iron I do this:

M1V1=M2V2
(10mL)(.04mg/mL)=M2(100mL)
= .004mg/mL
is that right?
and I don't have to worry about the 3.00 mL of o-phenanthroline solution, right?
 
Looks like.
 
Borek said:
Looks like.


Should I put the molarity in mg/L or should I convert to moles/L or can I convert to moles/L?

4 mg/L * (1mole/ 55847 mg)= 7.16 E -5 moles/L, I'm not sure if doing this is a good idea


to find the average molar absorptivity I was told to ignore the length the light travels, so it's just A/c= e
when doing the molarity should I leave it in mg/L or moles/L to calculate the molar absorptivity?
 
something in this experiment is sensitive to air, but I forgot which, does anyone know?
 
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Hydroquinone is an oxygen reactive species as is Fe+2. Not sure if the complexed Fe+2 ion is somewhat more stable to air.
 

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