Speed, momentum and total energy of a muon (SR)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed, momentum, and total energy of a muon with a specified kinetic energy. The problem involves concepts from special relativity, particularly the relationships between energy, mass, and velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the equations relating energy and momentum, with attempts to derive expressions for speed and kinetic energy. Some participants question the correctness of the equations used and the assumptions made regarding the values of kinetic energy and mass.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying the definitions of variables. There is an ongoing examination of the mathematical steps taken, with some participants suggesting corrections and others expressing confusion about the implications of certain values.

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There is a noted concern regarding the interpretation of the kinetic energy in relation to the mass of the muon, particularly in terms of the ratios involved. Participants are also addressing potential errors in the equations used and the implications of the mass units provided.

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Homework Statement



A muon has a mass of 106MeV/c2. Calculate the speed, momentum and total energy of a 200MeV muon(a muon with a kinetic energy of 200MeV).

Homework Equations


E=γmc
K+mc2=E
γ=1/(1-β)1/2
β=(v/c)2

The Attempt at a Solution


To solve for the speed I plugged E=γmc into K+mc2=E to obtain K/mc2 + 1 = γ. Expanding gamma and rearranging I get 1-(K/mc2+1)-1 = β. But plugging in the numbers on the left hand side gives me a zero as K<<c2 and I think that I went wrong somewhere.
 
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jasonchiang97 said:

Homework Equations


E=γmc
K+mc2=E
γ=1/(1-β)1/2
β=(v/c)2
The first, third, and fourth equations have errors.
[EDIT: Sorry. Your third and fourth equations are OK if you are defining the symbol β to equal (v/c)2. But it is more common to use β for v/c.]

3. The Attempt at a Solution
To solve for the speed I plugged E=γmc into K+mc2=E to obtain K/mc2 + 1 = γ.
E ≠ γmc. But your expression for γ looks correct.

Expanding gamma and rearranging I get 1-(K/mc2+1)-1 = β.
Check your work here, I don't think you got the correct expression for ##\beta##.

But plugging in the numbers on the left hand side gives me a zero as K<<c2
Did you mean to write K << mc2? If so, how did you come to this conclusion based on the information given in the problem?
 
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Sorry line 1 was supposed to be E=γmc2 and sorry I skipped so many steps. I'll write down everything I did.

K=mc2(γ-1)
K/mc2 + 1 = 1/(√1-(v2/c2))
1-(v2/c2)=(K/mc2 + 1)2
1-(K/mc2 + 1)2=(v2/c2)
c2(1-(K/mc2 + 1)2)=v2
√[c2(1-(K/mc2 + 1)2)]=v

did I do anything wrong?
 
Did you mean to write K << mc2? If so, how did you come to this conclusion based on the information given in the problem?

Well given the numbers, c2 = 9 x 1016 and from the values of K and m given K/mc2 = 0
 
jasonchiang97 said:
Sorry line 1 was supposed to be E=γmc2 and sorry I skipped so many steps. I'll write down everything I did.

K=mc2(γ-1)
K/mc2 + 1 = 1/(√1-(v2/c2))
1-(v2/c2)=(K/mc2 + 1)2
...
did I do anything wrong?
Check going from 2nd to 3rd line
 
jasonchiang97 said:
Did you mean to write K << mc2? If so, how did you come to this conclusion based on the information given in the problem?

Well given the numbers, c2 = 9 x 1016 and from the values of K and m given K/mc2 = 0
Note the units in the value of the mass, m =106 MeV/c2.
So c2 cancels in mc2.
 
jasonchiang97 said:
Sorry line 1 was supposed to be E=γmc2 and sorry I skipped so many steps. I'll write down everything I did.

K=mc2(γ-1)
K/mc2 + 1 = 1/(√1-(v2/c2))
1-(v2/c2)=(K/mc2 + 1)-2
1-(K/mc2 + 1)-2=(v2/c2)
c2(1-(K/mc2 + 1)-2)=v2
√[c2(1-(K/mc2 + 1)-2)]=v

did I do anything wrong?

I keep making mistakes as I try to type it on the site sorry and thanks.
 
TSny said:
Note the units in the value of the mass, m =106 MeV/c2.
So c2 cancels in mc2.

Yea I know they cancel I mean when you put in the numbers you basically get 1/∞ for E/mc2
 
What numerical value do you get for mc2 (including units)?

(Your final expression for v in post #7 looks correct.)
 
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TSny said:
What numerical value do you get for mc2 (including units)?

(Your final expression for v in post #7 looks correct.)

ohh I see the c2 cancels out. Thanks!
 

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