Speed Ratio of Particle A to B?

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The discussion revolves around determining the speed ratio of two particles, A and B, given their mass and kinetic energy relationships. Particle A has three times the mass and twice the kinetic energy of particle B, prompting a question about the ratio of their speeds.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore equations related to kinetic energy and attempt to manipulate them to find the speed ratio. There are discussions about the correctness of the kinetic energy equations and the steps needed to equate them.

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The conversation has progressed through various attempts to derive the speed ratio, with participants correcting each other's equations and identifying errors. Some guidance has been provided regarding the proper setup of the kinetic energy equations, leading to a revised understanding of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which require showing work before receiving help. There is an emphasis on ensuring the equations are correctly formulated, particularly regarding the squaring of velocity in kinetic energy calculations.

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Particle A has three times the mass and twice the kinetic energy of particle B. what is the speed ratio Va/Vb
 
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You need to show some work before you can receive help. What have you tried so far?
 
Well i am working on it and I came up with equations

2k= 1/2*3M*Va
k=1/2*M* Vb

but I got stuck I really don't know what to do with this equations
 
Your equation for kinetic energy is wrong. The velocity is supposed to be squared.

So you have two equations. How do you think you might put them together?
 
equal to each other i was thiking maybe dividing the firt equation by 2 so that both equations equal to K
 
OK. Then what?
 
equal each other and solve for Va/Vb?
 
it gives me 1/6
 
sorry 1/36
 
  • #10
Can you show more of the steps on how you got that number?
 
  • #11
ok so i did it again and i notices i had skipped a step and got a new answer which is square root of 1/3

here is the work

2k= 1/2 3M Va^2 divide by 2
k= (3M Va^2) / 2 set it equal to the other equation
(3M Va^2)/ 2 = 1/2 M Vb^2 muiltiply by 2
3M Va^2 = M Vb^2 divide by Vb^2
3M Va^2/Vb^2 = M divide by 3M
Va^2/ Vb^2 = M/3M M's cancel and take square root
Va/Vb = square root of 1/3!~
 
  • #12
You are almost right, you are missing a factor of 2 somewhere.

You had

2k= 1/2*3M*Va^2
k=1/2*M* Vb^2

so if you divide the first equation by 2, like you said you were going to do in post #5, you get

k = 1/4*3M*Va^2

right? I think you forgot about the 1/2 on the right side. Do you see that?

So now if you set the two equations equal to each other and solve, what do you get?
 
  • #13
right! i was saw that error
in that case the ratio is square root of 2/3!
 
  • #14
That looks much better!
 
  • #15
thank you !
 

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