Speeds greater than the speed of light

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The discussion centers on the possibility of speeds greater than the speed of light and their implications for relativity. It asserts that while theoretical calculations suggest superluminal speeds, none can be achieved by objects with mass, and the universal constant 'c' cannot be discarded. Superluminal communication raises paradoxes, such as the violation of causality and the potential for signaling backwards in time, which contradicts established principles of physics. Participants argue that accepting superluminal speeds would necessitate rejecting fundamental concepts like the precedence of cause over effect and the uniformity of physical laws across reference frames. Ultimately, the consensus is that superluminal communication remains a speculative idea that challenges the foundations of current physical theories.
  • #91
I'm not sure if my answer would fall under this category. I want to introduce an idea of transmitting information at a speed faster than the speed of light. I am sure somebody has already thought of this...? Basically all you need is a rod which would exceed the distance of the speed that the light travels, say in an hour (just for practical applications). Pushing that rod at one end will result in the rod being moved at the other end instantly, with zero delay. A principal of a Morse code can be applied - a rod can be pushing a button on the other end, thus transmitting information at a speed faster than the speed of light. Obviously there can be a number of problems with this - the rod can simply be pulled by a gravity of a passing planet, or be hit by a meteorite, etc... But the fact of the matter is that, information can be transmitted at a speed greater than the speed of light.
 
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  • #92
No, it can't. Pushing on a rod transmits information at the speed of sound in that material, which is always much less than the speed of light. And yes, your idea has been thought of many many many times on this forum already.
 
  • #93
escogido said:
I'm not sure if my answer would fall under this category. I want to introduce an idea of transmitting information at a speed faster than the speed of light. I am sure somebody has already thought of this...? Basically all you need is a rod which would exceed the distance of the speed that the light travels, say in an hour (just for practical applications). Pushing that rod at one end will result in the rod being moved at the other end instantly, with zero delay. A principal of a Morse code can be applied - a rod can be pushing a button on the other end, thus transmitting information at a speed faster than the speed of light. Obviously there can be a number of problems with this - the rod can simply be pulled by a gravity of a passing planet, or be hit by a meteorite, etc... But the fact of the matter is that, information can be transmitted at a speed greater than the speed of light.
Turns out this idea doesn't work because there are no perfectly rigid objects in relativity (solid objects are just collections of atoms held together be the electromagnetic force, and electromagnetic interactions travel at light speed). If you push one end, it creates a compression wave that travels along the rod at the speed of sound in the material, the other end doesn't move until the wave reaches it. See here for more info:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html#4
 

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