Sph. Solenoid Homework: Find Magnetic Field at Center

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at the center of a spherical solenoid, focusing on the application of Ampere's Law and the Biot-Savart Law. Participants explore the necessary mathematical approaches and integration techniques required for the solution.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Ampere's Law but questions the symmetry and integration needed for the current enclosed.
  • Another participant argues that the Biot-Savart integral is necessary due to the lack of symmetry for a line integral, noting that the magnetic field is not uniform throughout the sphere.
  • A different participant hints that symmetry allows for only the z-component of the vector cross product to be computed in the Biot-Savart integral.
  • One participant claims that their calculated magnetic field is slightly less than that of a long cylindrical solenoid and mentions that the Biot-Savart integral can be evaluated with calculus.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the evaluation of the integral, specifically about the expression for dl and the factor of 0.5 discrepancy in their results.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the integral should be a surface integral rather than a volume integral, detailing the form of the current density and the integration process required.
  • One participant suggests that using the determinant method may simplify the computation of the vector cross product in the Biot-Savart integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with differing opinions on the applicability of Ampere's Law versus the Biot-Savart Law and the nature of the integral required.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration techniques and the specific forms of the integrals involved, particularly in relation to the surface versus volume integrals in the context of the Biot-Savart Law.

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Homework Statement


A large number, N, of closely spaced turns of wire are wound in a single layer upon the surface of a wooden sphere of radius a. The planes of the sphere are perpendicular to the axis of the sphere (take axis to be horizontal), and turns are uniformly spaced per unit circumference and completely cover the surface. The current in the winding is I. Calculate the magnetic field at the center of the sphere.

Homework Equations


Ampere's Law.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have done a few things. Right now I have made my boundary curve go through the center of the sphere and then up and off to infinity. The part I have concerns about is the shape of the solenoid. Is there any integration I have to do when considering the current enclosed? Is the surface integral just (B)(2a)? Thanks.
 
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The solution to this is a Biot-Savart integral. Ampere's Law will not work because you don't have the symmetry to do a line integral. They ask for the magnetic field at the center of the sphere in this problem, and the field is not uniform throughout the sphere. Setting up and solving the Biot-Savart integral for the magnetic field ## B ## is a good exercise using vectors in spherical coordinates.
 
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And I will give one helpful hint for this problem-it's a little bit of work but not as difficult as it might first appear- because symmetry makes it so that you only need to compute the z-component of the vector cross product in the Biot-Savart integral.
 
This one is an interesting calculation for anyone else who wants to give it a try. The answer I got for it turns out to be a little less than the ## B ## field in a long cylindrical solenoid. The Biot-Savart integral for it can be readily evaluated with a little calculus.
 
Thanks for the reply. I think I almost have it. But, when I am evaluating the integral, I think I'm having a problem with dl. The length, l, is 2(pi)r right? so dl would be 2(pi)dr? When I plug this into the integral and evaluate it from (0 to a) I'm off by a factor of 0.5. What am I missing here?
 
kevinnn said:
Thanks for the reply. I think I almost have it. But, when I am evaluating the integral, I think I'm having a problem with dl. The length, l, is 2(pi)r right? so dl would be 2(pi)dr? When I plug this into the integral and evaluate it from (0 to a) I'm off by a factor of 0.5. What am I missing here?
It's a surface integral in this case, instead of a volume integral. In the volume type integral of Biot-Savart, ## J(x') \times (x-x') d^3x' ## appears in the numerator where ## J(x') ##is the current density term in a volume type integral for Biot-Savart. In this problem though, it is a surface integral of the form ## K(x') \times (x-x') dA' ## (in the numerator) where ## K(x') ## is the surface current per unit length. ( ## x ## and ## x' ## are the coordinates of the observation point and the coordinates of the moving electrical charge respectively). The surface current per unit length gets integrated in one direction to get the total current and then integrated along the wire (as in the single wire form of Biot-Savart which is a term like ## I (x') \times (x-x') ds' ## (where ## I(x') ## is the current)). Thereby a surface integral of the ## K(x') \times (x-x') dA' ## form is what you are needing in the numerator. There will not be any "dr" integration. You should be familiar with the form that ## dA' ## has in spherical coordinates.
 
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This one is a good exercise in spherical coordinates along with x,y,z coordinates. The determinant method is probably the easiest way to compute the vector cross product in the numerator of the Biot-Savart integral. Hopefully the OP was able to successfully compute the surface integral.
 

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