Sphere Rolling vs. Sliding Down a Ramp

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The problem involves two spheres of equal radius but unknown masses moving down a ramp at an angle θ. One sphere slides down without rolling, while the other rolls without slipping. The question posed is which sphere reaches the bottom of the ramp first and to prove this outcome.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss comparing the forces acting on each sphere and applying Newton's second law. Others suggest using energy transformations as a potentially simpler approach to analyze the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants are attempting to manipulate formulas, while others are examining energy transformations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of moment of inertia and the conditions of motion (sliding vs. rolling) as key factors in the analysis. There is also an acknowledgment of the challenge in relating time to the motion of the rolling sphere.

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Homework Statement



Let there be two spheres, of equal radius but unknown masses (mass isn't important).
Both move down a ramp of angle \theta, where \theta can be any angle but 90 deg. or 0 deg.
The first sphere slides down the ramp with no (negligible) friction. This sphere does not roll at all.
The second sphere rolls down the ramp. This sphere does not slip, and thus, its only movement is caused by the rolling, not a sliding motion.

If both spheres are released from the same displacement up the ramp from the ramp's end, at the same time, which will reach the bottom of the ramp first?
Prove that this is so


Homework Equations


Moment of inertia equations. F=MA. Motion with constant acceleration equations.


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried manipulating some of the formulas, but was not able to get very far. I didn't find a way to relate time to the rolling (not sliding) ball.
 
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Compare the forces acting on each. Then apply Newton's 2nd law.
 
You can also use energy, might be easier.
 
Any other help?... I still am a bit stuck.
 
Sure, let's examine the energy transformations of the sliding ball. We start out with purely potential energy; however, as the ball reaches the end of the incline, all the potential energy has subsequently been converted into kinetic energy. Hence, PE = KE.

Now apply similar logic to the rolling ball and interpret the results.
 

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