Spherical aberration in Biconvex lens

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical derivation of relationships involving focal length, radius of curvature, and refractive index in biconvex lenses, particularly in the context of spherical aberration. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of lens behavior, including the application of Snell's law and ray tracing methods.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a complex relation they discovered between height from the principal axis and focal length, seeking help to derive it mathematically.
  • Another participant questions the goal of the inquiry, asking whether the aim is to gain intuition, understand the mathematical derivation, or improve optical design.
  • Some participants suggest that numerical methods are unlikely to yield explicit expressions, implying a preference for geometric derivations.
  • A participant explains that the expression can be derived using Snell's law and describes the process of tracing rays through the lens, noting that such formulas are rarely used in practice.
  • There is a suggestion to use ray tracing software for aberration analysis, which is considered more efficient than manual calculations.
  • Another participant outlines a series of steps to approach the derivation, including considering incident rays, calculating surface normals, and applying Snell's law at both surfaces of the lens.
  • One participant proposes using geometry and trigonometry as an alternative approach for mechanical drawings, suggesting it may be simpler than the mathematical methods discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best methods to derive the relationships and analyze the lens behavior. There is no consensus on a single approach, and multiple perspectives on the use of numerical methods versus geometric reasoning are present.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific definitions and assumptions regarding the lens geometry and the complexity of the mathematical derivations involved. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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I was recently looking for proven relations between focal length, radius of curvature, refractive index etc of a convex lens as I was working on an experiment, I did Find a relation, between Height from principal axis and focal length, and it was a huge relation!I did the experiment to verify it, and it holds good. But I still don't know how to even derive such a huge relation. the image is attached.
If anyone know How to solve it, please help
Thanks In advance!
 

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What is your goal here? To get some intuition? To get an idea of where it comes from in the math? To get actual predictions or improve an optical design? It's a broad question.
 
Twigg said:
What is your goal here? To get some intuition? To get an idea of where it comes from in the math? To get actual predictions or improve an optical design? It's a broad question.
to get an idea of where it comes in from the math. Like whether it's a geometric derived result or some kind of solution obtained out of brute force numerical method
 
VVS2000 said:
to get an idea of where it comes in from the math. Like whether it's a geometric derived result or some kind of solution obtained out of brute force numerical method
Numerical meethods are very unlikely to come up with explicit expressions like in the sheet you posted (source?)
 
The short version is that you get this expression when you use Snell's law and solving for the focal point of an incident ray where ##\theta## is the angle between the incident ray and the normal axis to the biconvex lens at the point at distance h off the optical axis. Naturally, you have to use Snell's again where the ray exits the lens on the second convex surface.

In practice, virtually no one uses this formula. You can get the Taylor coefficients by using some neat ray tracing tricks, so we tend to use ray tracing software to do aberration analysis. It's far more computationally efficient and general. My point is: don't feel like you need to know the above expression.
 
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BvU said:
Numerical meethods are very unlikely to come up with explicit expressions like in the sheet you posted (source?)
thomas k gaylord, georgia tech optical engineering notes
 
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Twigg said:
The short version is that you get this expression when you use Snell's law and solving for the focal point of an incident ray where ##\theta## is the angle between the incident ray and the normal axis to the biconvex lens at the point at distance h off the optical axis. Naturally, you have to use Snell's again where the ray exits the lens on the second convex surface.

In practice, virtually no one uses this formula. You can get the Taylor coefficients by using some neat ray tracing tricks, so we tend to use ray tracing software to do aberration analysis. It's far more computationally efficient and general. My point is: don't feel like you need to know the above expression.
That's the thing, How would one apply snell's law and get such a result, if you have any hint to get me started on the right direction I can make an attempt to solve it. I just want to know the math behind it all, like how one would approach such a complex situation
 
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Sorry for the slow reply. Here's a quick outline of steps that would get you started.

1) Consider a collimated ray (##\theta## = 0) incident on the first spherical surface of the lens at a displacement ##h## off the optical axis. (See the image you attached in the OP for reference.)

2) Calculate the surface normal vector ##\hat{n}_1## to the first spherical surface at displacement ##h##. Now calculate the angle ##\theta_{inc,1}## between the incident ray and ##\hat{n}_1##. Use Snell's law to find the new orientation of the ray inside the lens.

3) Trace the path of the ray inside the lens to see where it intersects the second spherical surface of the lens, and apply Snell's law once more.

4) Trace the path of the ray in free space (on the image side), and see where the ray focuses (i.e. where it intersects the optical axis). This focal length should be given by the formula you first quoted.
 
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Alternatively, maybe just use geometry and trig instead for your mechanical drawings. A lot easier.
 

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