Spherical Charge Ball, Gauss law

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a spherical charged ball with a total charge Q and radius a. The radial electric field inside the ball is described by the equation Er(r) = constant x r² for r between 0 and a. Participants are tasked with using Gauss's Law to evaluate the constant in this equation in terms of Q and a.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss's Law and the correct expression for the differential area element. There are attempts to integrate the electric field over the surface area of a Gaussian sphere, with varying results based on the chosen dA. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the charge distribution and the implications of having no sheet-charge on the surface.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have provided guidance on the implications of enclosing the sphere with a Gaussian surface, while others are still working through the calculations and questioning their results. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive dialogue is occurring around the correct application of Gauss's Law.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the absence of charge outside the ball and the lack of sheet-charge on its surface, which may influence the calculations and assumptions being made.

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Homework Statement



A spherical charged ball of radius a has total charge Q; there is no charge outside the ball and no sheet-charge on its surface. The (radial) field inside the ball has the form
Er(r) = constant x r2 for r between 0 and a.
Use Gauss's Law in integral form to evaluate the constant in this formula in terms of Q and a, and then rewrite the formula in terms of these parameters.

Homework Equations



∫E.dA=Q/εo


The Attempt at a Solution



Lets say constant is b and dA=4.pi.r^2

∫Er(r).dA=Q/εo

from 0 to a ∫b.r^2(4.pi.r^2) dr=Q/εo
(4.pi.b) from 0 to a ∫r^4 dr = Q/εo
(4.pi.b)(a^5/5)=Q/εo
b=(5Q)/(4.pi.a^5.εo)

When i replace b (the constant) in Er(r) i get

Er(r) = b x r2
Er(r) = (5Q)/(4.pi.a^5.εo) x r2
Er(r)= (5.Q.r^2)/(4.pi.a^5.εo)

but the answer is Er(r)= (Q.r^2)/(4.pi.a^4.εo)

can someone please tell me where am I miscalculating or i forgot to add something
 
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You say that dA = 4.pi.r^2 , but where is the dr coming from in your integral?

There is another way of expressing the differential area element. Look into that ;).
 
I used the wrong dA, however even if I use dA=2.pi.r dr I'm still off

from 0 to a ∫b.r^2(2.pi.r) dr=Q/εo
(2.pi.b) from 0 to a ∫r^3 dr = Q/εo
(2.pi.b)(a^4/4)=Q/εo
b=(2Q)/(pi.a^5.εo)

and when i replace b (the constant) in Er(r) i get

Er(r)= (2.Q.r^2)/(pi.a^4.εo)

I'm supposed to get 1/4 and not 2. I'm not familiar with other ways of expressing the differential area element
 
The problem also says that there is no sheet-charge on its surface. Try using that.

OK. nvm that. There is a simpler way. If you enclose the sphere with a gaussian surface, what can you say about the electric field flux going out.
 
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But wouldn't that just mean there is a magnetic field all around?

If I enclose the sphere with a gaussian surface the electric flux would just be equal to the electric field times the area of the sphere.
E.(4.pi.r^2)
 
hansbahia said:
If I enclose the sphere with a gaussian surface the electric flux would just be equal to the electric field times the area of the sphere.
E.(4.pi.r^2)

Exactly. And what does ∫E.dA represent? ;D
 
I still can't figure out
I mean..
electric flux= EA=Q/εo
EA=Q/εo
(b.r^2)(4.pi.r^2)=Q/εo
b.4pi.r^4=Q/εo
b=Q/(4.pi.r^4.εo)
 
Wait does that mean I can sub "a" for "r"? Therefore I get b=Q/(4.pi.a^4.εo)

Am I right?
 
hansbahia said:
Wait does that mean I can sub "a" for "r"? Therefore I get b=Q/(4.pi.a^4.εo)

Am I right?

Yes. You can make your gaussian surface as big (or small) as you want.
Now, why does letting r = a work? (hint: look at the problem statement).
 
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Because there is no charge outside the ball and no sheet-charge on its surface

Thankss a lot!

So simple
 

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