Gauss's law -- Integral form problem

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The discussion revolves around applying Gauss's law in integral form to determine how the electric field (E) varies with distance (r) within the electron cloud of a hydrogen atom. The problem involves a charge density function related to the quantum mechanical ground state of the atom.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to accurately define the enclosed charge (q_enclosed) when using a Gaussian surface within the charge distribution. There is mention of needing to calculate the fraction of the electron charge enclosed by a spherical shell at radius r and the necessity of performing an integral to find this value.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions about the enclosed charge and confirming the need for integration to solve the problem. Guidance has been provided regarding the approach to take with the integral, but no consensus or complete solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which involves specific charge density and constants related to the hydrogen atom. The discussion highlights the importance of accurately interpreting the charge distribution within the context of Gauss's law.

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Homework Statement
The effective charge density of the electron cloud in a hydrogen atom in its quantum mechanical ground state turns out to be given by pnot(e^-(r/rnot)), where pnot is a negative constant (the clouds charge density at r=0) and rnot is a constant (rnot=0.025nm). Use gauss's law in integral form to calculate directly how E varies with r inside the electron cloud. Remember that there is a proton at r=0! Express your result in terms of the protons charge q.
Relevant Equations
Gauss's law= E dot dA=q(enclosed)/epsilon not
Q enclosed is the net charge enclosed in the shape and epsilonnot is the permittivity constant
Problem Statement: The effective charge density of the electron cloud in a hydrogen atom in its quantum mechanical ground state turns out to be given by pnot(e^-(r/rnot)), where pnot is a negative constant (the clouds charge density at r=0) and rnot is a constant (rnot=0.025nm). Use gauss's law in integral form to calculate directly how E varies with r inside the electron cloud. Remember that there is a proton at r=0! Express your result in terms of the protons charge q.
Relevant Equations: Gauss's law= E dot dA=q(enclosed)/epsilon not
Q enclosed is the net charge enclosed in the shape and epsilonnot is the permittivity constant

The shape is a sphere so area is 4pi r^2
Ex4pir^2=q/epsilonnot
E=q/4pir^2(epsilonnot)
 
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You need to rethink what ##q_{enclosed}## is if your Gaussian surface is inside the charge distribution. If you have a shell of radius ##r## inside the cloud, what fraction of the electron charge ##e## is enclosed by this shell? Hint: An integral is required.
 
kuruman said:
You need to rethink what ##q_{enclosed}## is if your Gaussian surface is inside the charge distribution. If you have a shell of radius ##r## inside the cloud, what fraction of the electron charge ##e## is enclosed by this shell? Hint: An integral is required.
So you have to take the integral from 0 to r for the charge density with dq?
 
jerryfelix30 said:
So you have to take the integral from 0 to r for the charge density with dq?
Yes.
 

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